UCI report clears Armstrong

**pigperson** · June 1st, 2006, 06:54 PM

Here's the write up...

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/9932.0.html

**fragolino** · June 2nd, 2006, 04:00 AM

UCI is playing a bad game. Doping is a big problem in all the sports and UCI can't do this things: what will think the boys are starting their activity?

Filippo Simeone, a former rider, told about Armstrong and doctor Ferrari and and italian court has established that Ferrari has given doping to the bicyclists, inclusive Armstrong.

Simeoni was born in a town near mine, in Latium, I know him and I'm sure he don't tell lies.

**JoeBAR** · June 2nd, 2006, 04:44 AM

If Armstrong had been convicted, it would have been a serious blow to the Tour de France as an organisation, it would have jeopardized its prime position as THE tour (after all, Italy and Spain also have a great Tour too

). There was no way Armstrong was gonna be convicted, even if they had found strong steroids in his samples. Besides, EPO wasn't banned in 1999, so Armstrong ain't lying when he said he never took any banned substances...

**Dial_tone** · June 2nd, 2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeBAR

If Armstrong had been convicted, it would have been a serious blow to the Tour de France as an organisation, it would have jeopardized its prime position as THE tour (after all, Italy and Spain also have a great Tour too

). There was no way Armstrong was gonna be convicted, even if they had found strong steroids in his samples. Besides, EPO wasn't banned in 1999, so Armstrong ain't lying when he said he never took any banned substances...

EPO has been banned since 1990. It was just undetectable thru urine testing. Blood testing for haematocrit levels was introduced in 1997. A study from the 1980s, before synthetic EPO, showed that bike racers' blood averaged a cellular content of 43 percent, so the UCI decreed that anybody with a level above 50 percent would be disqualified for taking EPO.

jwilliams240sx · June 4th, 2006, 06:53 AM

that's good I always liked him

**pliny_2001** · June 4th, 2006, 08:18 PM

Congrats to Lance, who I never doubted - too bad to see that some members here are still insisting that they're walking about on this flat earth. . .

mhb3939 · July 30th, 2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeBAR

If Armstrong had been convicted, it would have been a serious blow to the Tour de France as an organisation, it would have jeopardized its prime position as THE tour (after all, Italy and Spain also have a great Tour too

). There was no way Armstrong was gonna be convicted, even if they had found strong steroids in his samples. Besides, EPO wasn't banned in 1999, so Armstrong ain't lying when he said he never took any banned substances...

Dude you are convicting him after he was cleared.... SOME PEOPLE... what more do you want!!! Guys like you would PAY to see a post result from Lance....lol

**JoeBAR** · July 30th, 2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mhb3939

Dude you are convicting him after he was cleared.... SOME PEOPLE... what more do you want!!! Guys like you would PAY to see a post result from Lance....lol

Go vent your frustration elsewhere. I couldn't care less whether Armstrong is ever found guilty or not, but there ain't smoke without a fire.

mhb3939 · July 30th, 2006, 10:24 AM

Vent...lol dude, it's guys like you who are so neg that you ensist that Lance and American riders HAVE to be on dope to be that good. Even after Lance was cleared a 100 times over by every dope testing avbl from here to there, guys like you will still log on and INSIST that he's dope... I am not venting, just stating FACTS!!! and the facts are being the must testing person in sports Lance was NEVER found/proven to be on anything.... SO, when you come on here talking smack AFTER the fact, its shows that guys like you will never except Americans being as good as they are...PERIOD, cover it with smoke with you ALIGATIONS... but facts are facts and you cant cover up the truth...
And if you could care less, why the effort to post something that states only in your world that Lance is doping!!! It bothers you..... Am not venting anger only stating the FACTS not rumor BS such as yourself... Good luck proving your case!

**JoeBAR** · July 30th, 2006, 10:28 AM

I have nothing to prove. I can live with an American winning the Tour de France. Let's hope Landis B test looks better than the A test, coz you seem to be one who couldn't live with such facts... Ok, let's keep Armstrong innocent, I bow out

mhb3939 · July 30th, 2006, 10:40 AM

He is innocent... To insult someone who trains as hard as Lance only to be insulted with BS talk is wrong. Now, "they" are after Landis... WHY...Hmmmmm??
You tell me why????

I am not angry, but if everyone just sits back and talk BS and engage in rumor BS who to say when it will stop. Ask, Landis, he knew before it was over that people would talk.... Lance didnt pass the yellow, he passed the dark cloud that hangs over any American that whens the Tour... it gets old.... Are there Americans doping in the tour HELL YES there are!!!!!!!!
And the ones who are, are not taking a test injection 3/4 way through the race...lol.....
They test these guys year around on/off season.... it always seems to be the winning American AFTER the fact who is "doping".... If it is proven Landis was doping... shame on him.... But I will dream of the day that any doping would/could make me ride like that.... and a test injection isnt going to do it, and anyone out there (not you Joebar) who thinks that a test inject will make you ride like he did over night is an IDIOT an knows NOTHING about doping...
I just want to see an American win the Tour and EVERYONE say "damn, that guy a really good rider" ..... now matter where you are from! I love the sport, and have followed the doping issue for YEARS,,,, and even done it myself... The Tour is a GREAT race, the hardest/toughest race in the world IMO and I love watching all the riders.... I back the Americans because I am an American, but if some other country won, I wouldnt log on here and start talking smack about doping as everyone does about Lance/Landis .... Doping here, it will NEVER go away right or wrong (thats another issue)... The issue here is TALK/SMACK/BS rumors... let the facts speak for them self.... LANCE WAS NEVER PROVEN/CAUGHT DOPING and either has LANDIS..... Respect these guys as Americans would another winner!

**JoeBAR** · July 30th, 2006, 11:17 AM

I think you slightly overdo the american vs the rest of the world attitude. After all, it's not like there has been no anti-french campaigns in the US in the last 5 years since France didn't condone the War in Iraq, I'm not gonna mention the freedom fries again. So when it comes to respect of other nations, please thread carefully on the subject.

Landis just happened to have failed an A-Test. It doesn't actually prove anything, and can be the result of an error, either from the test procedure, or a freak day in his piss. Considering he has some special conditions, I'm sure everything will get cleared up eventually. I saw a lot of posts doubting the procedure, or the possibility of someone having higher than normal testosterone levels, Landis was not tested just once on the TDF. He was tested every day he finished with the yellow on. I didn't watch the whole thing, I happen to be one of these few freaks who don't have a telly, however I have the impression that he won at least another stage (or time trial) and wore the yellow many days. So he would have been tested those days too.

Lance made some unflavory comments about the laboratory... Well, you know, it's the one the TDF uses, and it's as professional as the people who ride the TDF, or organise it. Just because it's in Europe doesn't mean it's shit, or rather, just because it is not in the U.S of A. doesn't mean it's shit.

As for your rant about the perception people this side of the pond have of Americans, you are wrong. Although I can't say GWB and his world policy are particularly popular over here, and nevermiond on the continent, European people are definitely not out to slaughter people of the USA, far from it. As I said earlier, WE didn't change the name of our chips... Lance Armstrong was just as popular in France or here as he was in the USA, and as far as the people from France I know, he was as popular there as Hinault ever was. Not all the TDF greats were French, far from it, and most enjoyed the same adulation from the public, whether their names be charlie Gaul, Eddie Mercx, Bernard Hinault, Hindurain (can't remember his first name) or Lance Armstrong... And let's not forget Greg Lemon! (oh, another yankie!).

Hope this clarifies the air. I apologies to the forum for making unsavory comments about Armsrong, I shouldn't have since he's been proven innocent. I love the TDF, I'm even going on hols next week with my folks to ride up the Tourmalet (and hopefully jog it too). I look forward to pushing my old man up the pass on a tadem

All these rumours make a joke of the sport and a joke of the Tour, and I have little respect for those responsible (and no, I don't mean Lance!).

mhb3939 · July 30th, 2006, 11:32 AM

We wont tred on the Euro v us stuff (the war bit is far from the point), that wasnt my point at all. I LOVE Europe and have been all over.... I respect your reply it far from your first... I dont care who wins (yes I do lol) but it just seems when an American does it, its about doping an no one can deny that. Like I said am not angry, but I feel at times someone has to stnd up to Fact not RUMORS it gets old... I love the TDF like you, but intil proven you have to respect all this guys.. you and I only dream of what they have done... Like I said there is doping and a lot of it.... But "doping" isnt the issue with me, its the rumor BS... and someone is always add fuel to a burned out fire... now its Landis... We'll see next yr if a Euro wins and we"ll see if they are talking doping then????
Its not about "lance" "landis" its about these guys working all their lifes for this only to be smeared with rumors and BS Americans or not!