Landis tests positive

satch9 · July 27th, 2006, 10:26 AM

for testosterone

just posted on bbc sport in the uk

:sigh:

**fragolino** · July 27th, 2006, 10:55 AM

This sport is dead.

AltarEgo · July 27th, 2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by fragolino

This sport is dead.

Took the words right out of my head. If this is going to be the ongoing trend both before and then after the TDF, then it ought to be ignored by the public as any sort of legitimate sport.

**mudflap4874** · July 27th, 2006, 11:09 AM

Have they had any conclusive reports on this? All I have seen so far is that Landis tests positive but no facts to back it up yet ... remember, Lance went through the same kind of ridicule after he won each year and his name was cleared. This could just be a rumor or misguided information ....

**fragolino** · July 27th, 2006, 01:04 PM

You can ignore everything, if you want. To watch of another part and not to see, but the things won't change for this.
The cycling has been for years dipped in the culture of the doping and only a miracle can save it.

**FitnessPhotos** · July 27th, 2006, 04:10 PM

Wow, this is a huge disappointment; but seriously, why would he take something that would be so obvious in a test?

**airer2000** · July 27th, 2006, 05:12 PM

2005 Tour of Spain winner Heras - Epo
2006 Tour of Italy winner Basso - Possible Blood doping (waiting for Spanish evidence)
2006 Tour of France winner Landis - Possible Testotrone (waiting for B - test)

Damn, we can only hope the one day races are less effected, since the riders can get prober rest between races. On a more positive note now you can loose (2nd place) and still win.

**brazland** · July 27th, 2006, 05:36 PM

What did he have, a brain explosion? As Fitness Photos said why take something so obvouis? This sport needs to take a realality check. But drugs and cycling at the elite level is a problem that has been around for a very long time. Eddie Merckx once said you don't win the Tour on mineral water and pasta.

satch9 · July 27th, 2006, 05:49 PM

could he say it was because of his hip causing pain?

i mean it must have been sooo obvious after his stage 17 heroics or that should now perhaps be dorkiks....

eljamis · July 27th, 2006, 07:34 PM

well its not like pro sports have not had their shair of drug and performance encansing substances. perhaps even "curling"

**TNT1** · July 27th, 2006, 10:39 PM

The news of Floyd Landis' "adverse analytical finding" in the Tour de France has shocked the cycling community world wide. The Phonak rider, who just a few days ago waved the American flag so happily on the Champs Elysées in Paris, has not yet given a statement on the positive return of his A sample on the evening of stage 17, but many reactions have been issued in the international press. It is the first time a Tour de France winner has tested positive for a performance-enhancing substance during the event.

"If the counter-analysis confirms this result, we will feel angry and sad," said the Tour de France organisation ASO in a statement. "Even if this is very painful for cycling, it does prove that the fight against doping by the Tour organisation, the teams and the sponsors is gaining ground in an irreversible manner."

**TNT1** · July 27th, 2006, 10:40 PM

Landis is looking for other answers too. He is allowed to take cortisone for his degenerating right hip, although he said during the Tour that he had only had a couple of injections this year. But he also told SI that he'd been taking daily doses of a thyroid hormone to treat a thyroid condition. Even if either of these can explain his high T:E ratio, Landis realises that it will be hard to convince people. "I wouldn't hold it against somebody if they don't believe me," he said.

Others have looked at explanations such as the beer Landis had the night before his stage 17 exploit, citing a study in the American Association for Clinical Chemistry ( Vol 34, 1462-1464, 1988) by Swedish researchers O Falk, E Palonek and I Bjorkhem. In it, they investigated the effects of the ingestion of between 110-160 g of ethanol (2 g/kg bodyweight). They showed that it "increased the ratio between testosterone and epitestosterone in urine from 1.14 +/- 0.07 to 1.52 +/- 0.09 in four healthy male volunteers. The increase ranged from 30% to 90% in the different subjects studied (mean 41%). In cases where doping with testosterone is suspected, the possibility should be considered that at least part of an observed increased testosterone/epitestosterone ratio in urine is ascribable to previous ingestion of ethanol."

**TNT1** · July 27th, 2006, 10:41 PM

As a caveat, Landis was quoted at the time as saying that he'd only had one beer. A pint of normal strength beer generally doesn't contain more than 20 g of alcohol - a much lower level than was studied by the Swedish researchers.

**mavgrad99** · July 28th, 2006, 01:15 AM

Wait before you crucify, I want to know how soon that test was administered after the stage 17 win, if it was right after he got off the bike then I can only imagine the test is positive, you see... adrenaline is released and a byproduct of that would be testosterone, the levels of epitestosterone were significantly higher because of the adrenaline released in the win of stage 17, I mean, what a comeback, but if he was to "shoot up" then my argument is null and void. Wait and see.

kuangykuang · July 28th, 2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by satch9

for testosterone

just posted on bbc sport in the uk

:sigh:

What a douchebag. He shamed himself, his country, and the sport. He would have been a hero. He had a great feel good story going for him with his hip but then he threw it all away.

In a way I feel for him because I know what its like to want something so bad that I would do anything for it, anything besides cheat.

kdizzle · July 28th, 2006, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mavgrad99

Wait before you crucify, I want to know how soon that test was administered after the stage 17 win, if it was right after he got off the bike then I can only imagine the test is positive, you see... adrenaline is released and a byproduct of that would be testosterone, the levels of epitestosterone were significantly higher because of the adrenaline released in the win of stage 17, I mean, what a comeback, but if he was to "shoot up" then my argument is null and void. Wait and see.

The evidence just doesn't make sense. How long did they try to nail Lance?

**JoeBAR** · July 28th, 2006, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mavgrad99

Wait before you crucify, I want to know how soon that test was administered after the stage 17 win, if it was right after he got off the bike then I can only imagine the test is positive, you see... adrenaline is released and a byproduct of that would be testosterone, the levels of epitestosterone were significantly higher because of the adrenaline released in the win of stage 17, I mean, what a comeback, but if he was to "shoot up" then my argument is null and void. Wait and see.

One would assume that, since not every winner of every stage of the TDF since testosterone tests were implemented have not checked out positive, the 'warning' level in these circumstances is higher than expected from a well rested man at 7am...

**airer2000** · July 28th, 2006, 05:44 AM

They can test if the testoterone is natural or artificial. Apparently there is a difference in carbon 13 levels in natural and artificial testosterone (according to Danish doping expert), I would think that this fact is part of the drug test.

**Dial_tone** · July 28th, 2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mavgrad99

Wait before you crucify, I want to know how soon that test was administered after the stage 17 win, if it was right after he got off the bike then I can only imagine the test is positive, you see... adrenaline is released and a byproduct of that would be testosterone, the levels of epitestosterone were significantly higher because of the adrenaline released in the win of stage 17, I mean, what a comeback, but if he was to "shoot up" then my argument is null and void. Wait and see.

Maybe they can but that isn't what they do. Normally you have a 1:1 ratio of testosterone/epitestosterone. Rarely you may see a guy with a 2:1 natural ratio, 3:1 must be one in millions. When you take exogenous testosterone (dope) testosterone levels go up but epitestosterone stays the same so the ratio is different. I believe according to WADA you are not considered positive until the ratio is 4:1 or higher and it used to be 6:1.
Incidentally there is or used to be a method to take epitestosterone therefore keeping the ratio more normal.

**eqpfunk** · July 28th, 2006, 12:58 PM

I think we should wait and see what the second test says before everyone crucifies Landis. Just because a guy has higher test than the average fat ass, estrogenified, couch potato doesn't mean he's doping. Doesn't exogeneous test injections release certain identifiable metabolites in urine? I would think those would be tested for. Above avg. testosterone levels would indicate to me that he's simply an above average male, and not necessarily on the juice.