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Old December 2nd, 2006, 11:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, I have really been wanting a good digital camera for a long time but dont have the money. Instead, I decided on telling people I want one for Christmas so maybe some family can team up and have the cash to buy me one. I've been looking at the threads around here for this camera and that camera, and a certain price range.

Im going to show you a picture brand and some specs on a camera, and I want some opinions, from fellow photographers professional or amateur.

I have to say there arent many conditions but 1 for now, I would like a big deal over 1000 dollar camera sometime in the future, but for now Im just looking for a nice and slim camera that I can bring with me during cooking classes and just around so I could carry it easily. I'll buy a bigger nicer one later but now Im just looking for a slim but nice camera.

Now, what do you guys think of this one?

Canon PowerShot A620



Some specs :
  • 7.2 million pixel CCD
  • 35-140mm (equiv.) 4x zoom lens
  • DIGIC II processor
  • Full photographic control
  • 2.0-inch vari-angle LCD
  • 20 shooting modes
  • 1cm macro mode
  • Optional wide and tele converter lenses
2 inch LCD screen
Average price $368
Shutter speeds 15-1/2500 sec
32 MB storage card
weight - 10.1 oz

some cons:
camera does not record in RAW format hmm
read a couple reviews saying it was bulky and could have been built better
no iso button
more reviews here:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read...key=canon_a620

more specs and info here :
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canona620/


Now what do you guys think of this? If you dont like or have a better idea what camera do you think would be good to ask for as a Christmas present? The sooner you reply the better. By the way I have the price range of 400-500 MAX dollars. You guys think that cam is slim enough?

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Old December 2nd, 2006, 11:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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http://cgi.ebay.com/CANON-POWERSHOT-...QQcmdZViewItem

EBAY! He is selling it for like 190 shipped.
I see some on there that comes with a printer for 300...

I don't have much /any digital camera experience. I only have the 1 I got last year, and I just use it to take family pics... I like Kodak tho.
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Thanks for the reply, yeah I wanted to get some opinions before searching on ebay. Yeah he has it cheaper but I dont like buying nice things from people with feedback that low. I mean if Im buyin some 5 dollar thing fine but a good camera they need to have better feedback, plus he said he is selling it without the manual, which I want.
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 01:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
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One of the best point and shoots out there, in fact. If you would like an unbiased opinion about it or any other camera you are thinking of purchasing, go to:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/

It is an outstanding site for analyzing what your needs are and comparing various units to one another. I have considered purchasing one just to have a camera in my pocket. I will likely purchase a smaller one, as I want a REALLY SMALL camera to keep with me at all times so that I can record shooting ideas to do with my good cameras at a later time. It can also be handy to have a camera at times.
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Both of my digital cameras have been canons, and I've been thrilled with them - both were SD Powershots - my first was in the 3-4 megapixel range w/ a 3x zoom. I loved it, but recently got the SD 700 IS. After using the new one, I can definitely say that, if you can afford it, get optical image stabilization. Your pictures - low light, normal light, flash - will be tremendously better.

So, I can't speak to the A620 in specific, but I've been happy w/ canon's SD. But I do recommend the optical image stabilization.
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 09:17 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The big thing for me is how I want to use the camera. It sounds like you want a compact style. Check out this link, the camera you're looking at gets very good reviews......but the review does say it's a bit on the "big" side for a "compact" style.
see http://www.pcmag.com/products/0,,qn=...Compact,00.asp

You'll want at least 5 megapix. especially if you want to print bigger pictures.

Another big thing for me is the size and quality of the LCD screen......some are better than others......canon alway seems to have very nice ones.

I saw the Canon PowerShot 6.0-Megapixel Digital ELPH Camera at Best Buy the other day for around 295.00........very nice camera and the LCD screen is really nice, 3 inches!

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igot a used canon SD400 form a freind really cheap and i love it, i use it all the time and its small and compact. everybody that ive asked for research have said canon is the way to go.


also, dont buy anything from anybody with a score under 96% from ebay. thats my rule when buying from them, i know way to many freinds getting burned from there but theyve plus me have gotten some sweet deals from there. its all bout being cautious.
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Hey there, oh Doughy one. You really can't go wrong with the PowerShot. It is a lot of camera for the money. Like boreal said though, it is a bit bulky if you're looking for something to slide in your pocket.

Now ask yourself one question. If you plan to buy a high-end camera soon, do you want to spend $300 for a pocket-sized camera now?

http://www.overstock.com/?page=proframe&prod_id=1928406

It is a 5.0mp version of the same camera for half the price. Just something to keep in mind. You don't have to go big-bucks to get a quality point-and-shoot.
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Hmm the downsides to the one I posted about is that it does look too bulky it doesnt record in the RAW format and I saw lots of reviews saying the manufacturing was kinda shotty.

How about this one? Its def slim enough.

Casio exilim ex-z600
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_...s/ex-z600.html
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_...-z600_pg2.html

that casio looks nice from what ive read so far

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All of those digital point and shoots are weak on the manufacturing side. You can only do so much with plastic. As far as RAW format is concerned, it really doesn't matter unless you are going to get really serious about the processing of your shots. Large JPEG files will process reasonably well, though not perfectly. Here is an excerpt from Adobe about RAW:

Understanding Digital Raw Capture:

By now, you’ve probably heard some talk about digital raw capture, but finding a coherent explanation of just what a digital raw capture actually is can be a bit more challenging. Part of the challenge is that raw isn’t one single thing. Rather, it’s a general term for a variety of proprietary file formats—such as Canon’s .CRW and .CR2, Minolta’s .MRW, Olympus’ .ORF, and the various flavors of Nikon’s .NEF, for example—that share important common features. To understand the nature of digital raw captures, you first need to know a bit about how those cameras that shoot raw actually capture images.
A raw file is a record of the data captured by the sensor. While there are many different ways of encoding this raw sensor data into a raw image file, in each case the file records the unprocessed sensor data. So let’s consider what the sensor in a digital camera actually captures. A number of different technologies are included in the category of “digital camera,” but nearly all of those that shoot raw are of the type known as “mosaic sensor” or “color filter array” (CFA) cameras.
Color filter array cameras use a two-dimensional area array to collect the photons that are recorded in the image. The array is made up of rows and columns of photosensitive detectors—typically using either CCD (charge-coupled device) or CMOS (complementary metal oxide semiconductor) technology—to form the image. In a typical setup, each element of the array contributes one pixel to the final image (see below).
An area array—each photosensor contributes one pixel to the image. But the sensors simply count photons—they produce a charge that’s directly proportional to the amount of light that strikes them. A key point is that raw files from color filter array cameras are grayscale. Grayscale to color The role of the color filter array is to create color images from the raw grayscale capture. Each element in the array is covered by a color filter, so that each element captures only red, green, or blue light. Many cameras apply the filters in a Bayer pattern like the one shown below.

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1 Grayscale to color
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Understanding Digital Raw Capture
In a Bayer pattern color filter array, each photosensor is filtered so that it captures only a single color of light: red, green, or blue. Twice as many green filters are used as red or blue because our eyes are most sensitive to green light. Other filter patterns are possible. Some cameras use CMY rather than RGB filters because they transmit more light, while still others may add a fourth color to the mix. The common factor in all color filter array cameras is that, no matter what color filter arrangement is used, each element in the sensor captures only one color. The red-filtered elements produce a grayscale value proportional to the amount of red light reaching the sensor, the green-filtered elements produce a grayscale value proportional to the amount of green light reaching the sensor, and the blue-filtered elements produce a grayscale value proportional to the amount of blue light reaching the sensor.

Raw files contain two different types of information: the image pixels themselves, and the image metadata. Metadata, which literally means “data about data,” is generated in the camera for each capture. Both raw and JPEG captures, for example, contain EXIF (Exchangeable Image Format) metadata that records shooting data such as the camera model and serial number, the shutter speed and aperture, the focal length, and whether or not the flash fired. Raw files also include some additional metadata that raw converters need in order to process the raw capture into an RGB image. In addition to the grayscale values for each pixel, most raw formats include a “decoder ring” in metadata that conveys the arrangement of the color filters on the sensor, so it tells raw converters which color each pixel represents. The raw converter then uses this metadata to convert the grayscale
raw capture into a color image by interpolating the “missing” color information for each pixel from its neighbors.

The raw capture is demosaiced and interpreted by a raw converter, using portions of the metadata embedded into the file at the time of capture, as well as algorithms in the conversion software.
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This process, known as demosaicing, is one of the key roles a raw converter plays, but it’s not the only one. Raw conversion involves the following steps in addition to demosaicing.

• White balance. The white balance setting on the camera has no effect whatsoever on the captured pixels when you shoot raw—it’s simply recorded as a metadata tag in the raw file. Some raw converters can read this tag and apply it as the default white balance (which the user can then override if desired), while others may ignore it completely and analyze the image to determine white balance.

• Colorimetric interpretation. Each pixel in the raw file records a luminance value for either red, green, or blue. But red, green, and blue are pretty vague terms—if you take a hundred people and ask them to visualize “red,” you’d almost certainly see a hundred different shades of red if you could read their minds.
Many different filter sets are in use with digital cameras. So the raw converter has to assign the correct, specific color meanings to the “red,” “green,” and “blue” pixels, usually in a colorimetrically
defined color space such as CIE XYZ, which is based directly on human color perception.

• Gamma correction. Digital raw captures have linear gamma (gamma 1.0), a very different tonal response from that of either film or the human eye. So the raw converter applies gamma correction
to redistribute the tonal information so that it corresponds more closely to the way our eyes see light and shade. (This property of digital capture has important implications for exposure
settings when shooting, which I discuss in a paper called “Raw Capture, Linear Gamma and Exposure”.)

• Noise reduction, antialiasing, and sharpening. Problems can arise with very small details in an image. If the detail is only captured on a red-sensing pixel or a blue-sensing pixel, the raw converter
may have a hard time figuring out what color that pixel should really be. Simple demosaicing
methods also don’t do a great job of maintaining edge detail, so most raw converters also perform some combination of edge-detection and antialiasing to avoid color artifacts, noise reduction, and sharpening.
All raw converters perform all of these tasks, but they may use very different algorithms to do so, which is why the same image may look quite different when processed through different raw converters. Some converters will map the tones flatter to provide editing headroom while others will try to achieve a more film-like look by increasing the contrast of the curve.

Generally, there is no one single “correct” interpretation of a given raw format. Vendors make a relatively subjective determination of what the best “look” is, and then adjust their converter to produce that result.How JPEG differs from raw
When you shoot JPEG, a raw converter built into the camera carries out all the tasks listed earlier to turn the raw capture into a color image, then compresses it using JPEG compression. Some cameras let you set parameters for this conversion—typically, a choice of sRGB or Adobe RGB as color space, a sharpness value, and perhaps a tone curve or contrast setting. Unless your shooting
schedule is atypically leisurely, it’s difficult to adjust these parameters on an image-by-image basis, so you’re locked into the camera’s interpretation of the scene.

JPEGs offer fairly limited editing headroom—large moves to tone and color tend to exaggerate the 8-by-8-pixel blocks that form the foundation of JPEG compression—and while JPEG does a decent job of preserving luminance data, it applies heavy compression to the color data, which can lead to issues with skin tones and gentle gradations when you try to edit the JPEG.
When you shoot raw, however, you get unparalleled control over the interpretation of the image through all the aforementioned aspects of the conversion. When you shoot raw, the only on-camera settings that have an effect on the captured pixels are the ISO speed, the shutter speed, and the aperture setting. Everything else is under your control when you convert the raw file—you can reinterpret the white balance, the colorimetric rendering, the tonal response, and the detail rendition (sharpening and noise reduction) with a great deal of freedom. Within limits (which vary from one raw converter to another), you can even reinterpret the exposure compensation.

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Almost all cameras that shoot raw capture at least 12 bits, or 4096 shades, of tonal information per pixel. The JPEG format, however, is limited to 8 bits per channel per pixel, so when you shoot JPEG, you’re trusting the camera’s built-in raw converter to throw away a large amount of the captured data in a way that will hopefully do the image justice. This is exacerbated by the tendency of most camera vendors to impose a fairly steep contrast curve in the raw-to-JPEG conversion in an effort to produce a JPEG that resembles a transparency. In the process, they throw away about a stop of usable dynamic range, and you have essentially no control over what gets discarded.

In some ways, it’s tempting to draw the analogy that shooting JPEG is like shooting transparency film while shooting raw is more like shooting negative film. With JPEG, as with transparency film, you need to get everything right in the camera, because there’s very little you can do to change it later. Shooting raw provides considerable latitude in determining the tonal rendition, like negatives, and also offers great freedom in interpreting the color balance and saturation. The fact that raw also lets you control detail rendition—noise reduction and sharpening—breaks the analogy but offers a further advantage.

Raw offers one more potential advantage that may be hard to demonstrate but is, I believe, real nevertheless. If you shoot raw, you’ll be able to take advantage of future improvements in raw converters. Digital photography may no longer be in its infancy, but it hasn’t yet reached adolescence, let alone maturity, and anyone who has spent more than a couple of years working with digital imaging knows that digital imaging software improves with each iteration. JPEGs are relatively inflexible files—we may see improvements in their handling, but any such improvements are likely to be modest.

Raw converters, however, have undergone radical improvements in the 10 years or so that color filter array cameras have been around, and there’s little reason to think that the next 10 years won’t see similar improvements. Shooting raw will allow you to exploit these improvements as and when they happen.
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I am sure it is a fine camera. I was doing photography full time prior to an auto accident in 2001. I have nine "professional" cameras, ranging from 35mm to 8" x 10" large format. Two of them are 18 megapixel SLRs. I converted to digital two years ago and have just started to shoot professionally, though not full time yet, this year (Thank God!). In researching digital cameras, I have found that the three leaders in CCD (charged coupling device) Technology are Canon, Olympus, and Minolta. The CCD is the gizmo in the camera that actually picks up the image coming through the lens. I state this fact because they have been developing the technology for many years longer than anyone else, most notably Nikon. Nikon was slow to embrace the technology in the '80s and is still playing catch up. I use Canon because their telephotos are faster to adjust and focus than anyone else's. Their CCDs have less noise (distortion and cloudy imaging) than anyone else. Though a camera may have as many megapixels, is its image as clean and sharp as the next guy's? There can be subtle but significant differences between the images produced by cameras that look equal on paper. I especially like the Casio EX-Z1000 and am considering it to replace the pocket camera that I keep with me at all times to record shooting ideas with. Eventually, I actually expect to purchase something that is smaller yet.
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I shoot Canon, Nikon and Rolleiflex professionally, in both film and digital. I also use Canon "prosumer" and consumer based cameras for anything from travel to candid, and everyday usage. I would highly recommend the Canon A640 over the A620. For the same basic price range, it is a far superior camera. Good luck !


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Tell me what you want to shoot. In what kind of environment.

For general purpose the Canon S80 is very nice, I have a Canon Rebel Xti, and I also plan to get a G7.

The standard lens for the Canon Rebel Xti, (which is not that much more expensive than the g7) is ok, but consider upgrading it to a lens that most
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Here are some pics I shot with my S80 this weekend.

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S80 looks nice but its way out of my price range.
The A640 does seem better than the A620 I started this thread with, but that still bring up one of my main problems that it looks a bit too bulky to fit inside my pocket, plus its just a wee bit on the higher side price wise, which I usually wouldnt mind but it may be a bit bulky for me.

Also thought about what redwing said you know Im gonna be buying a really good expensive camera later on so it may not be necessary to spend so much on one now. Im just looking for a slim one that can fit in my pocket basically. I think for now the Casio exilim ex-z600 is the right camera for me at this point. Later on I will start looking a nice SLRs but for now I think this may be what Im looking for.

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Honestly, the Casio Exilim was a bust for me. It crapped out on my wife after just 8 months of use; no extended warranty. The camera turns on, but it shuts down saying some kind of error and nothing I do can get it to work.

I went and bought a Sony W70 and love it; this time I got the extended warranty, too.
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You will be really surprised how much discount Dell.com offers sometimes.

I always check out www.slickdeals.net and www.techbargains.com

I believe that the Canon S80 is only around $350 now.
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Honestly, the Casio Exilim was a bust for me. It crapped out on my wife after just 8 months of use; no extended warranty. The camera turns on, but it shuts down saying some kind of error and nothing I do can get it to work.

I went and bought a Sony W70 and love it; this time I got the extended warranty, too.
I bought a sony w70 also for my wife and she loves it. It eats batterys like candy if you dont turn off the LCD but other than that it is a great camera.
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I got a Kodak easyshare camera that I use most of the time. It's great for sharpness & action photos outdoors, but I'm more impressed with Canon for color and portrait photos. So I guess it depends really what you want to do with it.
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Oh yeah I never posted here what I ended up getting.
Canon Powershot SD600
If anyone wants to see pics taken with it, go to FP's site shutteralley and look for my pics. Ive posted i think 5 so far.
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