Florida : Shoot first, ask questions later

[l00k]

Attention: testy visitors risk being shot in Florida

Thu Sep 29, 3:14 PM ET

MIAMI (AFP) - Welcome to Florida, but avoid arguments or thanks to a new law you run the risk of getting shot, according to an ad campaign launched by a gun-control group.

The campaign coincides with a state law that enters into effect authorizing gun owners to shoot anyone in a public area who they believe threaten their safety.

The law, supported by the National Rifle Association (NRA), was approved by the state legislature in April. Governor
Jeb Bush described it as a "good, common sense, anti-crime issue" when he signed it into law. His is a brother of US
President George W. Bush.

Supporters call it the "Stand Your Ground" law, while opponents call it the "Shoot First" law.

Under the previous law gun owners had first to attempt to withdraw and avoid a confrontation, and were authorized to shoot the threatening individual inside their home or property.

Critics say the current law allows gun owners to shoot if they engage in a simple argument. Supporters say that criminals will think twice when they try to attack someone in public.

Before the law was "on the side of the criminal," said Marion Hammer, head of Unified Sportsmen of Florida and a former NRA president. "The new law is on the side of the law-abiding victim," Hammer said.

Enter the Washington DC-based Brady Campaign to Control Gun Violence. The group will run ads in US and British newspapers warning tourists planning to visit Florida that a "nervous and frightened" Florida resident could shoot to kill. "Warning: Florida residents can use deadly force," the ad states.

"If you are involved in a traffic accident or near-miss, remain in your car and keep your hands in plain sight. If someone appears to be angry with you, maintain to the best of your ability a positive attitude, and do not shout or make threatening gestures," the ad reads.

The Brady Campaign promises to also run ads in French, German and Japanese newspapers if they can stretch their budget. They also plan to hand out fliers and post signs on the Florida highways with the warnings.

"It is reasonable to make people know that while they're visiting Florida they should take the right precautions to avoid potentially being victims of violence," Brady Campaign spokesman Peter Hamm told AFP.

The group is named after Jim Brady, spokesman for president
Ronald Reagan. Brady received a gunshot that paralyzed him when a mentally disturbed man shot Reagan in 1981.

Florida tourist authorities are hardly amused by the campaign.

"The Brady Campaign is one group's political agenda and not a safety and education issue," fumed Bud Nocera, executive director of Visit Florida, the state's tourism office, who described it as a "scare tactic" campaign.

"It is sad that such an organization would hold the 900,000 men and women who work in the Florida tourism industry, and whose lives depend on it, hostage, to their political agenda," he added.

Nocera said the campaign would have no impact on the millions of tourists that visit Florida, numbering 80 million in 2004.

"I can't understand why anybody would be opposed to telling visitors what the law is," said Hamm. "No state in America has ever passed a law like this one."

The Brady Campaign is "not telling anybody that they shouldn't visit Florida. My family and I vacation in Florida every Easter and were intending to do so. But I'm going to make sure that none of the people in my family get into a loud argument while we are there," he said.

[Pikran]

Well, it´s no surprise that such weird experiment poped-up right in America and in state under strong influence of Bush. I expressed my feelings concerning weapon handling in this thread:

http://www.extremefitness.com/forum/t33826.html

Go cowboys, go!

[l00k]

That law is asking for a lot of mistakes:

Man: "Car broke down.. can ya help me?"
Woman: *BANG!*
Man: *dead*

A few hours later..

Cops: "Why did you shoot that man?"
Woman: "Well, he looked like he was going to rob me!!"
Cops: "Well ok!! Cheers"

[Pikran]

We can also put it this way l00k

Cops: "Why did you shoot that man?"
Woman: "Well, he looked like he was going to rob me!!"
Cops: "So what exactly did the man do?"
Woman: *waves frantically with her arms, like if she wants to stop a car*
Cops: *bang*
Woman: *dead*

BTW: Asking a woman to help you with broken car is highly suspicious. Maybe I would shoot him as well

[l00k]

Originally Posted by Pikran

BTW: Asking a woman to help you with broken car is highly suspicious. Maybe I would shoot him as well

Especially if this is the guy. I sure wouldn't trust him:

[Pikran]

Originally Posted by l00k

Especially if this is the guy. I sure wouldn't trust him:

Beeing a woman, I wouldn´t trust any man. (*satire*)

[reallyibelieveu]

Living in florida I have to say Im not real worried about this... we have so many old people here that odds are the shooters hand wont even be steady enough to hit you... serpentine, serpentine, serpentine, run like hell they cant see that far anyway!!

Seriously tho, this has received almost no press coverage down here, but I am wondering if now Hertz will be advertising, the GPS and the 9MM with their rentals out of miami airport.

[Old_Fart2]

What's scary about this to me, as a land surveyor, is that sometimes in order to perform a survey we have to go up and down the street looking for property corner markers. There has already been an incident in Houston where a surveyor was shot by the neighbor of the lot that he was surveying. He was in critical condition for months.

Some of our crews carry machetes strapped to their belts, shovels, metal detectors carried in a holster (could be mistaken for guns) and generally could look threatening if someone didn't know what they were doing (as was the case in Houston where the neighbor thought they were coming to rob her).

Back in my early days of surveying, when I was still working out doors instead of stuck behind a computer all day, I had the police called on me several times because of my suspicious looks. Now, if I lived in Florida, I might simply be blown away.

[reallyibelieveu]

Old Fart, its called shoot first for a reason buddy, these folks are obviously interfering with your job and "threatening" you, drop em where they are and survey on buddy.

Im just kidding before you all go crazy on me, Ill bet its a bit disconcerting when you have to be aware of those types of things just doing your job. I hear what you are saying oldfart.

[Old_Fart2]

There were times in the old days when I would deliberately try to look threatening when working in some of the seedier areas of town. I'd strap a machete on even though there wasn't a tree or bush in sight.

Nobody usually messed with me.