Save the pittbulls please

**Carlos_Hathcock** · March 4th, 2006, 08:03 AM

SAVE PITTBULLS!!!

Is not fair, it sucks, I love Rottweillers, had them all my life, I know that if this legislation becomes law, Rotties will be next, then Dobermans, and Chows, and pretty much any big dog capable of fighting. Please help!!!

GET INVOLVED!

GO VOTE!

SAVE A LIFE!!!!

This is about california legislation being passed to exterminate pit bulls. If it passes in California, it could be on it's way to us...
someone has to try to make a difference... what if it were your pet?? It would be great if Myspace could be used for something good other than getting dates..please pass the word along and post this so as many people can see this as possible.

All dogs deserve love.

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This has to be stopped.

Please repost this to your bulletin. All u have to do is press reply to poster and copy the codes... their lives depend on it!!!!

**sucher67** · March 4th, 2006, 12:11 PM

Does anyone know the statistics on this? I find that media attention affects the public perception of risk. The question is: do pit bulls kill or hurt people with a much higher frequency than other breeds? Or, is it simply popular to make pitbulls a political target?

**pliny_2001** · March 4th, 2006, 09:40 PM

All media. Pitts are sweethearts.

There's no such thing as a dog born bad - only one turned bad by a bad dog owner.

Pliny_2001 - TopDog, Doberman owner.

**Doughboy** · March 4th, 2006, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pliny_2001

There's no such thing as a dog born bad - only one turned bad by a bad dog owner.

SO TRUE.

**sucher67** · March 4th, 2006, 09:54 PM

So the situation is like trying to ban guns. . . the true problem isn't really being solved by making pit bulls illegal.

I have never been around a pit bull, but I have been around Dobermans, and they are like all dogs: they simply want to make their owners happy. I am sure pit bulls are the same.

However, an angry abused pit bull is probably far more dangerous than an angry and abused Bassett hound. The question is: how can owners be made more responsible? Is this even a real problem? Why are lawmakers wasting time on it?

**JimmymonFreddy** · March 4th, 2006, 10:27 PM

**JimmymonFreddy** · March 4th, 2006, 10:28 PM

**Unkl** · March 5th, 2006, 12:50 AM

Look at all the responses in this thread, other those by good upstanding members (correct me if I'm wrong but Irish didn't post anything in here did he, okay phew !!! then like I said good upstanding members ), everyone else who posted is part of the Crime Syndicate, and what a bunch of putzes you are. Don't you see that this was brought on by the EF Cops to prevent you from using the dogs as weapons and so that they can legally shoot them on sight !!!!! (wish they'd outlaw cats instead )

Like I said, putzes, not a complete brain amongst the lot of ya, the writings on the wall boyz, but ya gotta interpret it. Geesh.
Come on roo let's tip a few back and pony up to some pretty tanned Sheilas.

**mavgrad99** · March 5th, 2006, 01:07 AM

Please allow me to interject my dolla fitty please... dogs are not the enemy here, neither pitt's nor rotti's or shepherds or any other dog is evil... dogs only know what they are trained to know, you can train a dog to flush the toilet or bite the next person they come across, you can teach a dog hate, love, and everything on the planet, you cannot however tell me that an entire breed of dog needs to be outlawed, banned, euthanized because some bleeding heart liberal tree hugging hippy focker said that one dog is bad, therefore they are all bad. I love dogs, just got me two aussie shepherds this past week, they are awesome little buggers too, they are 5 and 7 weeks old, they are just learning to bark and getting potty trained, they will be soon cat herding alongside my other wolf-shepherd hybrid that we like to hunt with while driving around in my car without a catalytic converter, thus polluting the environment further. Ahhh, okay, Im done... thanks for listening, dont forget to tip your waitresses and bartenders, turn the lights off on the way out.

**eqpfunk** · March 5th, 2006, 04:04 AM

I believe the city of Denver has completely banned them. I was there on business and it was all over the news about how they were being rounded up and euthanized because a few ghetto bastards were using them as fighting and attack dogs. Total Bullshit. When the media gets bored with the Iraq war or Bush's complete incompetence it finds ways to meddle in our everyday affairs by getting everyone up in arms over a certain breed of dogs. Don't stand for it!
**steps down from soap box**

**wol000** · March 5th, 2006, 07:53 AM

i got bit bye a pitbull on holidays, very nasty, he locked onto my hand. i wasnt impressed, there very dangerous. there illegal in northern ireland & i think, but i'm not sure if there illegal in england. in the north of ireland there shot on site, if there seen walking around. there bred to fight, there an extremely dangerous dog. there not illegal in southern ireland though, my father saw one killing another dog 1 day & tried to open his mouth with a crow-bar and he couldnt, so he hit in the balls instead.ha ha, so they do have a weakness

**pliny_2001** · March 5th, 2006, 08:58 AM

Pits are really only dangerous to children and the elderly - they were bred to fight other dogs, and if you look at an adult, well, we're alot bigger than a dog. That's why I think that these breed-specific laws are so stupid (and, let's be honest, racially and economically tinged). Dogs that could be dangerous to people (Dobies were bred to protect their owners from other people) are much more expensive. So pits just get a bad image (which is re-inforced by the dog fights and rap vids).

I'll say it again - if there's a problem dog, you need to throw the owners in jail and give the key to the family of the person who got injured.

mellymel · March 6th, 2006, 01:28 AM

I have 2 Cane Corso's (Sicilian Mastiffs). I get hounded by the law constantly because they like to mistake my dogs as pitts. They swear up and down my dogs are dangerous to society when they don't even know anything about my dogs breed. I train my dogs to obey me and my family. Heck, even my 5 year old niece walks my 4 year old dog with a leash, and she weighs 128 lbs. The point I'm trying to get to is that all dogs aren't violent. It's the owners that are violent.

jiujitsu808 · March 7th, 2006, 12:23 PM

This thread is something everyone should read. I have a Red nose pitbull and he is 6years old. I also have a 20 month old son who plays with him more rough than than my dog plays with him. Ever since I brought my son home from the hospital for birth, all he has been is gentle and caring towards my son. Like some people responded on this thread, and I quote "it is not the dog, but the owner who raises or breeds the dog that makes the dog bad." I hate when people make judgments on pitbulls because on the stories they read about them. By the way did you know that pitbulls are not the number one dog that bites people, I bet alot of people did not know that either. I am pretty sure it is the Chihuahua or another small dog like that. As for the pitbull jaw locking power, yes they do have almost double of most dogs out there something like 1200psi to 700psi. But like I said, it is how you raise them from start to finish. That is how to raise your dog. You don't stop giving advice to your kids until you die so why not do the same for your dog if they are a part of your family to. Start from a puppy and continue til they past away. If you cannot do this for your dog, don't get one at all.....Reps to you Carlos for starting this thread.....

**longhornfan** · March 7th, 2006, 03:04 PM

There is a reason you don't hear about poodles, or dachsunds, or labs, or hound dogs, etc., maiming and killing people - they don't.

And there is a reason you DO hear about pitbulls in the news maiming and killing people - they do.

There was a lady from a small town outside of Austin - in her 70's working in her front yard - attacked and killed by a pack of pitbulls that had gotten loose from their owners house. Everyone(friends, authorities, even the family of the lady killed) said that the dogs were well cared for by the owner, and the owner was a good person.

The dogs are killers.

**Carlos_Hathcock** · March 7th, 2006, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longhornfan

There is a reason you don't hear about poodles, or dachsunds, or labs, or hound dogs, etc., maiming and killing people - they don't.

And there is a reason you DO hear about pitbulls in the news maiming and killing people - they do.

There was a lady from a small town outside of Austin - in her 70's working in her front yard - attacked and killed by a pack of pitbulls that had gotten loose from their owners house. Everyone(friends, authorities, even the family of the lady killed) said that the dogs were well cared for by the owner, and the owner was a good person.

The dogs are killers.

That's bull, it is how you raise them, I come from a wealthy Colombian Family, we have a lot of farms and properties in the plains. I grew up with pitts, rotts, Mastiffs, German Sheeperds, Chows, you name it, our family was always threathened to be kidnaped. Long story short, the dogs were used as a psychological deterrent, but we never taught them to attack. At one point my godfather owned 26 rotties to watch over his coffee plants and vineyards, we never had a problem with them, even one day someone from the area showed up covered in blood because he had been mugged, the dogs didn't even growl at him. Pitts are not killers. you neglect them, treat them bad, and so on, the dogs will go into survival mode. just like any other creature. After Hurricane Katrina hit new orleans, police had to shoot two pittbulls because they were killing a bull, but I don't blame the dogs, their owner was gone, they were free, and they hadn't eaten for days.

wannajana2 · March 7th, 2006, 03:33 PM

I love dogs and pitts and rots are beautiful dogs, but I do feel they are dangerous. I would never want my kids around them. They're big strong dogs bread for one thing.

I have an 8 year old border collie that had never seen sheep in it's life, but he new exactly what to do when he saw them, he started hearding them towards me instintively. Thats what he's bread for.

jiujitsu808 · March 7th, 2006, 05:28 PM

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There is a reason you don't hear about poodles, or dachsunds, or labs, or hound dogs, etc., maiming and killing people - they don't.

And there is a reason you DO hear about pitbulls in the news maiming and killing people - they do.

There was a lady from a small town outside of Austin - in her 70's working in her front yard - attacked and killed by a pack of pitbulls that had gotten loose from their owners house. Everyone(friends, authorities, even the family of the lady killed) said that the dogs were well cared for by the owner, and the owner was a good person.

The dogs are killers.

Come on pitts are not bread for one thing. Give me a break. I bread my one time and til this date not one complaint. Like I said before it is how you raise and teach them not to mention on your research on what female you breed with. If you do enough research on breeding, you find which breads of pitts are use for hunting and which are made to be family pets. Yes there might be a few rotten apples in a bunch, but so goes with every other breed out there to. Don't be bias on whatt you read and hear, I had a few dogs so far in my life and next to my German shepard, I would say my pit is the most gentle of them all....

**pliny_2001** · March 7th, 2006, 08:16 PM

Don't get me wrong - there's no doubt that dobes, pitts, akitas, corso's, Alsatians, ridgebacks, etc. have the potential to be dangerous - actually, all dogs have the potential. It's just that most dogs, through either breeding design or accident, just don't have enough strength in their jaw to hurt people (I remember when I put peanut butter inside of one of red 'kong' toys, only to watch my dobermann actually tear it apart - the lesson: buy the black kong). And you hear stories about dogs doing terrible things, like the lady in Austin (which I hadn't heard) or the lady in San Francisco (bad lawyers kept dogs that were trained to kill for a client/partner that was in jail - the dogs then killed someone) - but I feel that the operative common fact is a bad owner: in the Austin case, I'd look at the facts of "pack" and "getting loose" to determine that the owners probably weren't that good - I've been to dog breeders/showers kennels (where they keep up to 15 dogs at a time) and I can say that it would take an act of God or aggression to get through those fences. The fact that a pack of dogs got away means more to me than people saying that the owner was nice and didn't abuse his dogs. There's no reason to train your dog to be aggressive, but alot of people short on brains and long on an inferiority complex decide to do this - again, I say lock them up and give the injured party the key.

Wow - that's a heck of a run-on paragraph. Short statement: dogs aren't born bad, they're made that way by an owner. Pitts can only be dangerous to the elderly and children. Repsonsible owners realize that their dogs have to potential to do damage, and take appropriate precautions. My dobermann is the sweetest animal in all creation.

(Short story: once there were Dobermanns that were bred to be completely white (but not albino). These dogs were determined to be a little, shall we say, off-kilter. In order to get these genes out of the population, white Dobes are euthanized, and dogs that have the ability to pass on white genes have the letter 'z' added to their registration - Z stands for "not allowed to breed." This is how responsible breeders work to keep the breed strong and without defects).

jiujitsu808 · March 8th, 2006, 02:30 AM

Not to start an arguement with you pliny but the statement about being dangerous to only elderly and children can't be directed to only pitbulls. It goes for every other animal out there. Animals can sense the weak and frail. It is just the matter of nature. As for your dobie, yes they are very sweet dogs. My friends had some a few years back and I enjoyed playing with them alot whenever I went over to his house....