I knew it was only a matter of time

**justaguy87337** · October 2nd, 2009, 12:59 PM

Subject: Fw: Guns listed on 2010 tax return, the plot thickens

> The plot thickens

> Aren't you glad you voted!!!!!!!!!!!! - I'm sure some of you would

now change your mind if you voted today.

> GUNS TO BE LISTED ON 2010 TAX RETURN

> I know some of you have registered guns - who knows what will happen

next??

> House Bill 45 is the registration bill. Snopes explains the bill.

> This is Un-American and must be killed!

> Wow 'all Guns' must be listed on your next (2010) tax return! As if we

didnt have enough to get upset about! If you have a gun,

> I hope it isn't registered!

> Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal

> tax form all guns that you have or own. It will require fingerprints and a tax of

$50 per gun.

> This bill was introduced on Feb.24, 2009, by the Obama staff.

BUT this bill will only become public knowledge 30 days after the new

Law becomes effective! This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee has passed this without the Senate voting on it at all.

The full text of the IRS amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage,

> U.S. Senate you can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know.

> Text of H.R.45 as Introduced in House: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing

> and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - U.S.... Open Congress

> Obama's Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If

> it passes, gun owners will20become criminals if you don't fully comply.

> It has begun . . . Whatever Obama's secret Master Plan is....this is

just the 'tip of the iceburg!'

> Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into

> the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.

> Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the government is

trying to fly it under the radar as a 'minor' IRS revision, and, as usuual, the 'political' lawmakers did not read this bill before signing and approving it !

> To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR

> 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & 20 Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

> Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle

> with a clip or ANY pistol unless: It is registered, you are fingerprinted, you supply a current Driver's License, you supply your Social Security #, you will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

> If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of

many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this.

> Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family pass this along.

> This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

> This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not..

Search Results -

THOMAS (Library of Congress)

> Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) <blockedhttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45%3e> ;

> Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) <blockedhttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45_>

> (Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) <blockedhttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45> ) >

> Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) <blockedhttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45_>

> (Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) <blockedhttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45> ) > :

H.R.45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale

Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress<http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111...E%3C_http:/www

opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show

H.R.45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress <blockedhttp://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show>

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show_ <blockedhttp://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show_>

H.R.45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress <blockedhttp://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show> )

H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (_GovTrack.us_ http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...ill=h111-453c_ <blockedhttp://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-453c_>

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45_ <blockedhttp://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45_>

H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us) <blockedhttp://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45>

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45_ <blockedhttp://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45_>

H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us) <blockedhttp://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45>

> Please.. copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA , whether you

support the Right to Bear Arms or are for gun control. We all should have the right to choose.

**IMFREAKZILLA** · October 2nd, 2009, 01:42 PM

very sad day for the gun owners,like me and i
have two registered,thank goodness for the
others that are not.IMF

**Italianangel** · October 5th, 2009, 12:33 PM

I am not american nor do I live in the US but this could be bad for us sicilians......

although most of the mafia guns are NOT registered........unless you are in Italy, then you are given blessing by the pope!!! ahahah

**pliny_2001** · October 5th, 2009, 01:19 PM

Dear internet:

Please read:
snopes.com: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act

Kthnkxbye.

**ckn** · October 5th, 2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pliny_2001

Dear internet:

Please read:
snopes.com: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act

Kthnkxbye.

So, people are getting upset because nutjobs who can't get gun licenses are going to be banned from getting guns?

Strange people

**ckn** · October 5th, 2009, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mooshue

Seriously, if you aren't hunting, you aren't a cop, you aren't serving, why do you need a gun?

By far the best sentence I've ever read on this forum.

**Italianangel** · October 5th, 2009, 07:50 PM

but banning does not work, look back thousands of years....poeple do it anyway and then its harder to keep track of......and punishes those who like to shoot at ranges and such for fun. the responsible ones I mean.

Banning anything seems useless...its not a solution............like banning pitbulls, or moonshine......useless, its not the gun the dog or the moonshine, its the humans.....they need to work on stronger punishments and more security in the right places. Leave the pot smokers alone and start putting men out on illegal gun selling to terrorists and man made drugs and maybe ban politicians from getting so many raises and such high percentage of raises.........
bottom line, the govt is there to falsley satiate us and shut us up by pretending to do something......but they don't want to really do what really needs to be done because it then affects them.
We had guns in our house always, and I live in Canada.....we have stricter laws but my dad was not an idiot.......so there you go.
If a guy keeps his gun at home and his kid gets it and kills himself.........oh well, its the guy who has to deal with this loss.......if your kid gets to the gun the owner is an idiot and also if a kid wants to cause shit, they will find a knife, stick, car.......whatever.....so I don't know about this banning of guns thing.
If I lived in a state which they allow guns, and the guns are needed because the law is not properly protecting my family, I would have them............we actually still do have some rifles around here, and they come to good use when scaring off intruders on my property even if unloaded, it does the trick and they usually don't go complain to the cops since they were probably going to be up to no good and got caught........so I think if owners are diligent, guns are okay, but I don't have kids.............and kids are shitheads....they do stupid shit, get into your stuff........then if you cannot judge that issue or how to handle it, you should not have one ( a kid nor a gun).......but it should be the gun owners choice with FULL RESPONSIBILITY on that owner with stiff repercussions.

**FitnessPhotos** · October 5th, 2009, 09:09 PM

SB-2099 - Diabolical Conspiracy to Tax Handguns - Urban Legends

As pointed out by Pliny this is a fake news report going back to the year 2000.

**helpmespock** · October 6th, 2009, 05:42 AM

yup, justaguy's own link(us senate, sb 2099) leads one to an explanation that this is an internet hoax. If it sounds stupid, it probably is. 50 dollars tax per handgun? It just sounds dumb...every other tax is based on an item's value, so in this bill we would tax a 200 dollar 38 special as much as a AR 16?

ckn
the reason I have a gun despite the facts that I am not a hunter, a cop, or in the armed forces, is because we live in a violent world. One in which individuals would prey on the defenseless. I will not allow some scumbag to come into my home and put a cap in me, rape my wife or harm my kids. Nope. A head full of lead is all they will take out of my house. That is if my rottweilers haven't already chewed the fuck head to shit.

**ckn** · October 6th, 2009, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by helpmespock

yup, justaguy's own link(us senate, sb 2099) leads one to an explanation that this is an internet hoax. If it sounds stupid, it probably is. 50 dollars tax per handgun? It just sounds dumb...every other tax is based on an item's value, so in this bill we would tax a 200 dollar 38 special as much as a AR 16?

ckn
the reason I have a gun despite the facts that I am not a hunter, a cop, or in the armed forces, is because we live in a violent world. One in which individuals would prey on the defenseless. I will not allow some scumbag to come into my home and put a cap in me, rape my wife or harm my kids. Nope. A head full of lead is all they will take out of my house. That is if my rottweilers haven't already chewed the fuck head to shit.

I don't have a gun in my house. I don't know anyone in the UK who does. I know one person who has a sport rifle but he cannot take it out of the range for any reason without a 5 year minimum jail sentence.

I know that I won't be robbed or assaulted by someone with a gun. There's more chance of me being killed by a rogue meteorite than dying of gun crime where I live. I checked the statistics recently, my home town of over 250,000 people has not had a gun death since the late 1970s. If I go to Manchester (the gun crime capital of the UK), it has over 2.5m people yet has 10-12 gun deaths in a bad year with most being gang related. It's a very rare thing that someone is killed by a gun outside of a gang on gang incident; that's why all gun deaths get huge publicity here, they're so rare.

In the UK, if you have a gun or replica in public without legally licensed reason you go to jail. No ifs or buts, it's jail. If a burglar breaks into my house, he'll probably get a trivial punishment, if he breaks in with a gun he'll go to jail for an absolute minimum of 5 years. If I get robbed on the street, the robber may go to jail but only if he's a habitual criminal, if he robs me with a gun then he'll get 5-10 years minimum, even if he doesn't use it or threaten to use it. There are severe disincentives to having guns in the UK, in the US it seems to be a mark of pride to have them.

One example, I read a story recently that someone in Wales with an air rifle who was clearing out a vermin problem was given 9 months in jail because he was carrying the gun from the woods to his car. The mere act of giving someone a slightly raised stress level because they saw him with the air rifle was enough to persuade the judge that he needed to award a punitive deterrent. He wasn't threatening anyone, he had it properly licensed and he was performing a legally acceptable task with it.

**helpmespock** · October 6th, 2009, 06:45 AM

we live in two very different countries. I live in an upper middle class neighborhood, but a man my age was shot and killed during a home invasion last year a mere 5 mi from my home. My life has been threatened in the ER more then once on the job, several times a year my hospital is put under swat lock down for local gang violence.

The US justice system has no teeth. Violent criminals are slapped on the wrist the first ten times they break the law.

In the US, the govt/ Judicial/Legislative does not protect us so the citizen must protect himself

**ckn** · October 6th, 2009, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpmespock

we live in two very different countries. I live in an upper middle class neighborhood, but a man my age was shot and killed during a home invasion last year a mere 5 mi from my home. My life has been threatened in the ER more then once on the job, several times a year my hospital is put under swat lock down for local gang violence.

The US justice system has no teeth. Violent criminals are slapped on the wrist the first ten times they break the law.

In the US, the govt/ Judicial/Legislative does not protect us so the citizen must protect himself

Our police have zero tolerance for ER staff being threatened by drunks and other idiots. Guns don't even have to come into it before there's a massive and deliberate over-reaction. There is a fairly simple choice, be nice and be treated in the ER when it's your turn or be abusive and get treated by a police medic in a cell.

I know the names of my locally assigned police officers, they're very visible and concentrate on prevention rather than detection. My neighbour was woken up at 3am last month by a police patrol because she'd left a downstairs window open. When she grumbled, she was asked whether she'd prefer to be woken up by a burglar, that shut her up!

**justaguy87337** · October 6th, 2009, 10:28 AM

I own at least 6 guns, and a bow. They are all for sport. I do not carry a weapon for self defense. I have no reason too. I support all people that do. why? because the second ammendment gives us that right. I feel that if you take away our guns, you take away our ability to defend ourselves. With the current problems with our government, we the people are protected by the second ammendment, to have the ability to rise up against the government if it becomes something that our founding forefathers did not intend.

**ckn** · October 6th, 2009, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justaguy87337

I own at least 6 guns, and a bow. They are all for sport. I do not carry a weapon for self defense. I have no reason too. I support all people that do. why? because the second ammendment gives us that right. I feel that if you take away our guns, you take away our ability to defend ourselves. With the current problems with our government, we the people are protected by the second ammendment, to have the ability to rise up against the government if it becomes something that our founding forefathers did not intend.

I own a vote.

**IMFREAKZILLA** · October 6th, 2009, 12:37 PM

its all about the government,the people and killing,people rising
up against the government and the government wanting to know
who has the weapons,but on the other side guns do NOT kill people
people kill people,end of story.

**justaguy87337** · October 6th, 2009, 12:46 PM

kinda funny how my post, that was found out to be a bogus post has led to all this

**ckn** · October 6th, 2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justaguy87337

kinda funny how my post, that was found out to be a bogus post has led to all this

Life's like that at times!

**helpmespock** · October 6th, 2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mooshue

well y response was deleted, not sure why, but here we go again,
if you are not a hunter, law enforcement, or serving in the military, why does one need a gun?

and here goes the ONLY time ive broken a forum ettiqutte rule with personal attack!!!

yo Bruce, yea you, if you are going to be a baby about me disagreeing with your nudie section, take it up in public don't go reporting/deleting my posts
yes, my control panel says it was you who whined. Go back and jack it some more with the nudes!@

asked and answered Mooshue, 4 posts above.

**justaguy87337** · October 6th, 2009, 01:42 PM

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I own a vote

So do I, but I do not see where living in a sparsely populated state, that my views and concerns are being addressed by my leaders. The larger populated states always seem to be able to outweigh the "fly over" states. I still think that is funny (not really) because those states with that ability are the ones that are bankrupt, while my state is still goin strong.

**tidalwave** · October 6th, 2009, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mooshue

if you are not a hunter, law enforcement, or serving in the military, why does one need a gun?

I don't own a gun, but plenty of others do for sport. Many of my co-workers go to the range periodically. Some are involved at varying levels of seriousness, but they all seem to have a good time. I've gone a couple of times, borrowing a gun, and it was fun. It was the most fun I've had with a gun since Counterstrike: Source

Unless you're living in feudal Japan, you don't need a samurai sword, but my roommate has a few specimens because he practices iaido and kendo. The pre-firearm personal armament standard lives on as sport and tradition. Both are good enough reasons to keep something legal (with restrictions) in a free society.