10 year old tasered in Arkansas

**ckn** · November 19th, 2009, 03:13 AM

Telegraph article

I'm not sure what's the most disturbing part of that story:

Is it that parents will call police when their children are being awkward or difficult?

Or is it that the police think it's acceptable to ever taser a 10 year old who is simply throwing a temper tantrum over having a shower?

Or is it that the police think it's proportionate to subject the child to the criminal justice system with a disorderly conduct charge?

**A1food4U** · November 19th, 2009, 09:45 AM

Makes you wonder doesn't it. what kind of parenting leads up to a ten year old getting combative over a shower??? This may be judgemental but i think that the family advice is comming from DR. Feelgoode

thecameraguy99 · November 19th, 2009, 10:39 AM

I think the girl, the parents and the cop who didn't have the courage/strength/balls to just pick her up and handcuff her (if that was necessary) are idiots.

A very disturbing story, indeed.

**IMFREAKZILLA** · November 19th, 2009, 11:00 AM

whats next bb guns on infants to get them to stop crying
because of an earache or something?heck that just makes
things worse,geesh.IMF

**SAINT_X** · November 19th, 2009, 11:32 AM

Our local Ft Worth Sheriff does not allow his officers to use tasers...

**mooshue** · November 19th, 2009, 01:45 PM

i dunno if it's real or not, but she attacked the officer and the parents clearly did nothing to prevent or stop it. Id taser that little bitch too. She is lucky that's all she got, and her parents should be sent to mandatory counseling for even creating the situation.

Everyone is trying to protect children, oh the poor children, they don't know any better blah blah blah, you can try him as an adult he is only 14 etc....
These out of control, broken and worthless to society little shits are killing people, and we aren't allowed to enforce any kind of rule on them, i call bullshit!

The taser is not a means of harm anyway, it's a means to stop you from acting like a jackass and hurting yourself, others, or worse the officer.

**SAINT_X** · November 19th, 2009, 04:00 PM

There have been 48 taser related deaths in the US this year.

**mooshue** · November 20th, 2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SAINT_X

There have been 48 taser related deaths in the US this year.

well, we can go back to shooting the idiots instead, but the death toll will rise tremendously.

**SAINT_X** · November 20th, 2009, 11:56 AM

How about we be more selective of who gets to use lethal force and not assume that every victim of its overuse is an idiot...I'm for that.

Hey...if you have neither patience nor a capacity for reason ( nor the physical ability to subdue a 10 year old girl ) don't be a cop.

**lukebeulah** · November 20th, 2009, 12:15 PM

I know that when I grew up- my parents wouldn't let you throw a tantrum over each and every little thing that you didn't want to do. I think parents these days want to be friends with their children as compared to actually parenting their children. That is why schools are so screwed up and society has taken a turn that is definitely for the worse.

Now- my parents and we four kids were always friends. But I think that their main objective was to start us out on the right foot, and if that meant that they had to do things that we didn't agree with- then that is what they did. Didn't like what Mom made for dinner- you can eat or not- your choice. But she wasn't going to make mac and cheeze especially for you since that is all you will eat.

And my wife and I have no problem in the future of using discipline to raise our children. Kids have to know that there are consequences for their actions. That doesn't mean beating- but that if you do something bad, you may not like what the outcome will be. Life is like that when you grow up and I think that too many children do not realize that at a young age and end up finding out the hard way later in life.

Hopefully parents can go back to how it should be- be a parent first and a friend second.

*steps off soapbox*

**mooshue** · November 20th, 2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SAINT_X

How about we be more selective of who gets to use lethal force and not assume that every victim of its overuse is an idiot...I'm for that.

Hey...if you have neither patience nor a capacity for reason ( nor the physical ability to subdue a 10 year old girl ) don't be a cop.

impossible in today's world. Everyone has become too sue happy. If that cop had taken her down with any type of restraint it would have been the same news story, different tactic.
While i agree most cops are assholes, i do not agree with laws that i was never consulted on that im required to follow, i do agree that if someone is coming at you and not following direction that they are supposed to, they need to be taken down. Not everyone is capable of being useful to society. There are a lot of broken people that can not be fixed.

**helpmespock** · November 20th, 2009, 07:50 PM

ok, its clear from the article the officer did not use the taser as everyone is suggesting here. he used the stun gun portion of a taser....that is he didn't shoot prongs into her, he just touched her with the electrode. This is much safer as the officer would need to repeatedly apply the shock to create a lethal situation. the officer said he used it once, briefly, on her back......WHAT WOULD EVERYONE HERE DONE? Is there a totally safe way to subdue a violent individual? I have to do this at least once a month in the ER. I am sick of people being violent, aggressive and abusive and society sitting on its high chair looking down its nose at people who actually have to deal with the situation.
The legal system here has created this problem since parents are now terrified of the severe repercussions they may suffer for disciplining there child. We can thank that asshole Dr Spock(the psychologist, not the Vulcan) for this situation....the funny thing is, he now has made overtures that he may have been wrong on the corporal punishment thing(probably he has teenagers now or something).

Sometimes the police overreact, but often times the person is just an asshole. The dad who was bitching about "his daughter being treated like an animal" is a jackass....how was she acting? When I have had interactions with police in my life, I have never had any difficulty following commands....thats what civilized people do when confronted by officers of the law....and go figure....I've never been injured by an officer either.

**ckn** · November 21st, 2009, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by helpmespock

ok, its clear from the article the officer did not use the taser as everyone is suggesting here. he used the stun gun portion of a taser....that is he didn't shoot prongs into her, he just touched her with the electrode. This is much safer as the officer would need to repeatedly apply the shock to create a lethal situation. the officer said he used it once, briefly, on her back......WHAT WOULD EVERYONE HERE DONE? Is there a totally safe way to subdue a violent individual? I have to do this at least once a month in the ER. I am sick of people being violent, aggressive and abusive and society sitting on its high chair looking down its nose at people who actually have to deal with the situation.
The legal system here has created this problem since parents are now terrified of the severe repercussions they may suffer for disciplining there child. We can thank that asshole Dr Spock(the psychologist, not the Vulcan) for this situation....the funny thing is, he now has made overtures that he may have been wrong on the corporal punishment thing(probably he has teenagers now or something).

Sometimes the police overreact, but often times the person is just an asshole. The dad who was bitching about "his daughter being treated like an animal" is a jackass....how was she acting? When I have had interactions with police in my life, I have never had any difficulty following commands....thats what civilized people do when confronted by officers of the law....and go figure....I've never been injured by an officer either.

On the bold bit enquiring what I'd have done: if I were the police officer, I'd have told the mother to stop being such a crap parent and deal with it rather than getting the police involved, then walked away.

I'd then have filed a report with social services for an investigation over idiot parenting.

**mooshue** · November 21st, 2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ckn

On the bold bit enquiring what I'd have done: if I were the police officer, I'd have told the mother to stop being such a crap parent and deal with it rather than getting the police involved, then walked away.

I'd then have filed a report with social services for an investigation over idiot parenting.

i agree with the top part of your response, tell em to get fucked and let that get on the news.
The social services part though, not going to fly. There are far worse off children here in the united states than this kid is ever going to be. There are kids in pretty much every city who live in shithole poverty, deadbeat parents, going without food, only eating while at school, taking care of younger siblings at ages as young as 7 years old. Quite frankly it is still worse for the child to remove them and place them into the care of the government than it is to just let them suffer through with their cracked out parents. I volunteer at a school that is filled with kids who suffer daily. They have to literally clean their own clothes, find their own food, take care of their younger siblings, get their own self to school, go without power, food, water, etc.. and they are in elementary school!!!!! we are talking about fucking 7 year olds not 15!!!!!!!

America is in a fucked up state and quite honestly i hope it just implodes on itself soon so we can fix it. We are beyond repair at this point, something horrific needs to happen in order to rectifi the situation. Neither myself, or any of our so called politicians have been able to find anything close to a solution for decades and it only gets worse by the hour.

**helpmespock** · November 21st, 2009, 09:05 PM

On the bold bit enquiring what I'd have done: if I were the police officer, I'd have told the mother to stop being such a crap parent and deal with it rather than getting the police involved, then walked away.-ckn

probably the smartest answer.

talecon · November 22nd, 2009, 01:45 AM

I woulda been had dat kid unconscious before calling the cops if shes that hard to handle that just means she needs tough lovin

**ckn** · November 22nd, 2009, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by talecon

I woulda been had dat kid unconscious before calling the cops if shes that hard to handle that just means she needs tough lovin

Lovely...

I do believe in corporal punishment for children but only as a last resort. To go straight to beating your child simply reinforces the fact that you're a crap parent.

In the story here, the dad does say that she has "emotional issues". That means she may have inherent psychiatric problems or possibly that she has had a very abusive or disturbed childhood. In either case, "tough lovin'" or Tasering are both wildly inappropriate.

talecon · November 22nd, 2009, 04:18 AM

I disagree, she didnt just become that way over night. if they knew she had anger issues they should've already addressed it and not waited until after she got tasered. thats just embarrassing as a parent not to have control over your own child, especially at such a young age. Somewhere along the line she learned thats appropriate behavior. Which of course resulted in a rude awakening.

**ckn** · November 22nd, 2009, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mooshue

i agree with the top part of your response, tell em to get fucked and let that get on the news.
The social services part though, not going to fly. There are far worse off children here in the united states than this kid is ever going to be. There are kids in pretty much every city who live in shithole poverty, deadbeat parents, going without food, only eating while at school, taking care of younger siblings at ages as young as 7 years old. Quite frankly it is still worse for the child to remove them and place them into the care of the government than it is to just let them suffer through with their cracked out parents. I volunteer at a school that is filled with kids who suffer daily. They have to literally clean their own clothes, find their own food, take care of their younger siblings, get their own self to school, go without power, food, water, etc.. and they are in elementary school!!!!! we are talking about fucking 7 year olds not 15!!!!!!!

America is in a fucked up state and quite honestly i hope it just implodes on itself soon so we can fix it. We are beyond repair at this point, something horrific needs to happen in order to rectifi the situation. Neither myself, or any of our so called politicians have been able to find anything close to a solution for decades and it only gets worse by the hour.

My comment on social services was made in a rush and was mistakenly assuming a British level of social services. My fault for a rushed post.