Fighting tips

**theatrain** · November 7th, 2005, 09:07 PM

First I just want to say I'm not the type of guy who just walks around looking for fights. However I do want to be prepared incase a fight happens to be looking for me.

My cousin has been taking boxing for a few years now. He also knows a kid who has been taking tae kwon do for a few years. This kid gives him tips here and there when hes up at college. My cousin has been teaching me somethings, and of course I pick a few things up watching UFC, and just wrestling around with my friends. I'm 16 years old by the way. I really want to take boxing, and as soon as I save up some money (within 1 year) I should be enrolling into a boxing class. For now I just rely on my cousin to teach me things here and there. I Know he is not a trained professional, but It helps. I was just wondering if any of you have tips on what to do before a fight. (Besides avoid it. I know thats the first thing to do at all times. Try and avoid the fight).

Usually before a fight goes down even If I'm not in it. I get the butterflys. Its usually only if its a person I dont know too well. If some kid who sits next to me in class that I never really talk to ever wanted to fight me chances are I wouldn't get these butterflys. I always get them before a fight. Im scared that when I actually get into the fight they're going to stay there and hurt my performance in the fight. Im not the kind of person who just wildly swings. I'd like to call myself a smart fighter. I stay far from my opponent and I usually only swing when I know its going to land. Anyway give me any tips you guys can. Where to hit? How to overcome these "Butterflys", what type of programs to enroll in, anything that helps.

kaltenbrunner · November 8th, 2005, 11:13 PM

If you take boxing, you'll learn to stay cool while someone stalks for your face and chin. Just to be in that "zen" state in the middle of dangerous situation is the most important part of fighting. You'll be able to plan your moves without interference from fear. You can apply that after to other style if you want (Muay Thai, olympic freestyle wrestling, whatever). The rest is technical: the more you fight in the ring (or the mat), the better you will get. After a few years of martial arts, you will no even think about self defense no more. You will do martial arts for the sake of it.

ryujin345 · November 10th, 2005, 08:14 PM

hey . the butterflys. completely normal to most people, since your taking boxing you'll overcome the feeling fast. The point is to stay relaxed and collected in your fights in and out of the ring (perferably in), think on your moves and actions, and the more knowledge on the foe the better. With all things practice makes perfect, keep learning with your friends and try sparring with them also.

Killa_Z · November 11th, 2005, 08:05 PM

great to hear you wanna get into it, i train a little in bjj and boxing and dont regret it and can tell you this is one of the best combinations for any fighter, if you want to know more on the bjj to leanr the grappling techniques and submissions, hit me a pm and i can help you out with them

girls69ing · November 14th, 2005, 01:17 AM

For me, I try to visualize how it's going to happen. If the person reaches across, do I angle out and counter?... do I brush grab strike?... do I step back taking the momentum and redirect it?

As you train, it becomes second nature, and the "butterlfys" wont have time to be a problem.

choo558 · November 18th, 2005, 08:53 PM

If You Get Butterfly's It Good It's Tell Your Body That Something Might Happen And It Kind Alerts You. You Should Never Visulize A Fight Before It Happens You Can Never Predict How A Fight Is Actually Gonna Happen. You Should Stay Clear Headed And Ready For What Is Gonna Happen Not What You Want To Happen

**g_samsa** · November 19th, 2005, 04:39 PM

Fighting is similar to any activity that involves danger in that you will naturally experience fear. To overcome that fear requires hard training and realistic simulations. For instance, If you are scared of getting hit then you must experience getting hit. If you're fearfull of your lack of reactions then you must practice counterpunching. It's not enough (though it is necessary) to punch a bag or shadow box. It's really not even enough to spar with too much gear on your body. The only thing that's going to overcome the butterflies is to A: Know some basic techniques and be able to use them unthinkinly. B: experince realistic battle conditions complete with all the usuall distractions. C: repetition repetition repetition.

You may hear people advise you of what discipline to study, but that is all quite irrelevant (unless you want to compete and go for mastery in that specific study). There are three kicks (front, side, and round), 4 punches (jab, straight, hook, upper) and a few chokes and bars and sweeps. Forget anything fancy and practice these basics repeatedly on bags, air, and durring sparring. Thats how to train realisticly. And the butterflies will lessen considerably.

My experience is TKD and Mauy Thai. I learned my basic gound stuff from a BJJ guy. I trained Line fighting in the Marines along with close combat. I have thankfully never been in a serious fight, and I attribute that to having enough confidence not to get into any fights. That comes with training. It's funny but the more you train and the more comfortable you feel the less fights you find yourself in. I think most people here could tell you that also.

Sever · November 24th, 2005, 09:49 PM

Hi I am new to the board. My experience has always been to just walk away. People tend to fight for very petty reasons or none at all. However, I wish some would have their @$$ beat for the lesson of humility. That and the fact that many people pull weapons out on each other.

junfan4 · November 29th, 2005, 07:56 PM

hey I'm new to the site, listen in regards to pressure points, they're awesome I have used many in actual street fights. i know about 200. don't let a boxer tell about fighting, if they went up against me or my friends your boxing won't help. the best atrs for pressure points are Shotokan,Kenpo,Ninjitsu,Dim Mak,Aikijitsu. I've studied Kenpo,Muay Thai, Jeet Kune Do, Kali, Silat,and like five others. The Japanese have a lot of pressure points. The filipinos,malaysian,thai,and indonesian arts are best for all around street fighting

waterdragon · November 30th, 2005, 01:21 AM

hey there

the "butterflies" you mentioned is you body producing adreneline, getting ready to fight or to run away (fight or flight) this is your bodies natural reaction to a danger situation and it will never change. you can however de-sensetise sp? yourself to the effects and the only way to do this is to fight. the boxing will help definalty as you progress in your training you will get to know you body better and gain in cinfidence.

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regards

**theatrain** · January 1st, 2006, 10:20 PM

Very good advice. Does anyone else have any other tips they have before they get into a fight or anything that would help in a situation where you have to defend yourself? Any one have there own personal ways of overcoming the "butterflys" or other things theydo.,

**beukies** · January 13th, 2006, 02:02 PM

Now you have heard from the "experts". Fights are always won in the following way, irrespective of what style you use (I am a 2 dan Karateka) I have learned the lesson early in my career:

Hit first and hit accurately!!! (No matter how big your opponent is)

I only weigh 180 lbs and i won the All Open championships 3 times. Now, you might say: "But that is not REAL fighting" True.......

I was attacked by 3 muggers while walking home with my wife, 2 were in hospital and 1 arrested.. after the attempt. How? I struck first!!! Only way to fight!!!

**g_samsa** · January 13th, 2006, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beukies

Now you have heard from the "experts". Fights are always won in the following way, irrespective of what style you use (I am a 2 dan Karateka) I have learned the lesson early in my career:

Hit first and hit accurately!!! (No matter how big your opponent is)

I only weigh 180 lbs and i won the All Open championships 3 times. Now, you might say: "But that is not REAL fighting" True.......

I was attacked by 3 muggers while walking home with my wife, 2 were in hospital and 1 arrested.. after the attempt. How? I struck first!!! Only way to fight!!!

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Clearly there is only one expert here. I don't remember using the word "expert". What makes a person an expert anyway? Is it when he calls himself an expert that such mastery materializes? I guess everyone is just totally full of crap and their advise should be tossed in favor of the one true master.

Mitrix · January 14th, 2006, 02:03 PM

I'm 15 years old and i've been practicing kyokushinkai Karate for 7 years now, I passed my black belt with adults. One thing you have to learn is, even tho size doesn't completly matter, it does on a certain extent. You can't weight 80 pounds and believe you can kick anyone's ass. You got be solid, train every part of your body, one good place to hit that someone that doesn't regularly fight doesn't protect is on the side of the thighs, right above the knee. Do a circular kick, or "mawachi geri" as it is known in japanese right above the knee and the person can drop to the ground easily. Some professional knock outs in tournament sare even done like that. To understand wich part of the thighs i am talking about, just look at your muscle there, the part were it gets smaller is were you need to hit.

Hope that helped.

**biscuitman357** · January 16th, 2006, 12:47 AM

Martial arts has many benefits.

- Good exercise
- Uses all muscles
- Increases confidence
- Improves coordination and dexterity in most cases
- Usually its taught in a controlled environment that promotes discipline.

However if you just want to learn basic self defense techniques, I'd recommend studying up and practicing groundfighting. The truth is, most fights end up on the ground. Then certain martial arts techniques become less effective ( i.e. factors like size, height, weight become more of a factor on the ground. While you might pound a guy twice your size standing up with speed and boldness, its just that much harder to pull off if that giant gets you on the ground and gravity is at work)

Most people are lousy groundfighters. If theres a cardinal rule to fighting a guy larger than you, its don't let the beast get you on the ground. Odds go against you then.

People can tell you to study all kinds of things, the reality is you will fall back on whats simple. I'm sure there are 100 techniques to block a punch, but odds are you could be trained in all of them and you'll revert back to the one that you are comfortable with and is hte simplest to execute for you. Learning and reinforcing basic techniques with muscle memory is going to get you further than learning a million arcane moves you'll never practically use.

My advice is this -

Avoid a fight at nearly all costs. Most fights don't have to happen if you are willing to proactively work at avoiding conflict. That doesn't mean don't stand up for youself, but it means choose your spots.

If you have to fight, tell the person you have HIV and you will bite them if they take a shot at you. This will probably get 70 percent of the people off your back right away. They won't know the truth that you don't have it but that will deter the basic threat. Anyone left is willing to risk their lives to hurt you, so -

Fight to kill. Thats it. When someone starts a physical confrontation with you, you have no idea of their intent or how far they will go. Three guys who jump you outside a bar might just kick you around, but you have no idea if someone is going to slit your throat instead of just pounding you some. If they wanted to live, they shouldn't have started a fight with you in the first place. Some people will argue with my opinion, but I believe you don't hedge your bets. Absolutely positively fight to kill. There are no rules of engagement. Just survive the battle.

If you are a father, or a breadwinner for your family, or in a position where your family and loved ones depend on you for their survival and care, remember that when you are forced to fight, you aren't just fighting for yourself, you are fighting to protect their interests. You don't do anyone any good if you are raising kids and you get fired from your job because you have to spend three months in the hospital because a couple guys jumped you outside the bar. In my mind, anyone who threatens your ability in any way to take care of your family places their life in forfeit. When you look at it that way, there is no fear anymore. No more jitters. Its about protecting the things you love and the people you love.

In short, avoid fighting when you can. And if you absolutely have no choice in the matter and your hand is forced, fight to kill.

so-calBULK · January 23rd, 2006, 11:01 AM

if u want to be able to handle ur shit just take BJJ and BOXING. jui-jitsu will help you sooo much its not even funny.your confidence will go through tht roof

bobizumi · January 27th, 2006, 09:15 PM

I've taken many forms of Martial Arts before, but I'm always worried about getting into fights. I get realy nervous if i see suspicious looking people, but i try to stay away from fighting, I've never realy been in a real fight.

I keep having dreams where I have to fight someone. I feel confident at first, but then the opponent just grabs me and i trow punches wildly trying to get him off, but he doesnt even flinch in pain. It's very weird, and it makes me have low confidence about my fighting ability.

Black Dog · January 28th, 2006, 12:39 PM

There are 3 ways to handle a street fight-
Run away
Fight like a madman
Stay calm

The first is the least likely you'll be injured.
The second will give you a good hit of adrenaline, but you won't fight as well.
The third is where you can use your techniques to the best of your ability, but there is always the chance that you will get pummeled.

jjmas · January 28th, 2006, 11:20 PM

Always remember the three rules of fighting; cheat first, cheat often and win. playing catch up once the other person starts cheating is a bitch. When your body goes into a fight or flight mode it diverts blood from unneeded parts of the body (stomach) to your brain to help you focus causing butterflies, so really you don't want to get rid of them. (I got that out of an article men's journal magizine and if I could find the specific one I will tell you the name of the doctor who wrote it) Boxing is great, martial arts training would be very helpful as well. I have a black belt in shotkan, I've trained in kung-fu, ju-jit, tkd, boxing/kickboxing.
Good Luck

CMF · January 29th, 2006, 02:28 PM

This is what I do.

Well in an actual fight you should tell yourselves you are trained in combat so you are above average. Study the opponent movement and decides if they are trained as well and what style are they.
Either stand still or move forward. I find that I pretty much will do really bad once I stepped back before the opponent does. Imagine how you are going to "cook" him .

In the end, when you fight, you won't think about anything anymore so no point talk about it.