Matt Hughes vs UFC

I_own_you · June 12th, 2006, 06:48 PM

Interesting to think about...

I strongly beleive that Matt Hughes could beat Rich Franklin in an open weight fight. Also, I thnk he would beat Liddell in an open weight fight.
I would then also have to say that Rich Franklin would beat Lidell in an open weight fight though they weight about the same when they fight, Franklin 210lb and Lidell 215-220lb. Hughes comes into his fights at 190 but I gauranteee he is still stroger than Franklin and Lidell.

Hughes is by far the best fighter in UFC, his fan base would be massive if he fought in PRIDE and would carry a Fedor like status in Japan and all over the world for that matter.

Killa_Z · June 12th, 2006, 08:20 PM

i dont see the point in this thread but i'll comment on hughes nonetheless

as much as i dont favour him it would be ignorant to say he has no talent, he is one of the most effective and skillfull fighters who epitomised the gnp tactics, excellent cage control aswell,

i feel as though UFC now lean on Lidell and Hughes and if they werent there, they would become 50% less good

I_own_you · June 12th, 2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Killa_Z

i dont see the point in this thread but i'll comment on hughes nonetheless

as much as i dont favour him it would be ignorant to say he has no talent, he is one of the most effective and skillfull fighters who epitomised the gnp tactics, excellent cage control aswell,

i feel as though UFC now lean on Lidell and Hughes and if they werent there, they would become 50% less good

The point of the thread is to state my opinon that I believe that regardless of weight he would beat the MW and LW UFC champions, to me that is worthy of a thread.

I just want to hear other's $.02, not their take on the fact that Hughes is talented, that is a given.

**eqpfunk** · June 12th, 2006, 10:46 PM

I could see Matt taking down Rich and being able to out grapple and either submit or GNP Franklin, but Liddell I don't know. Liddel's a pretty big guy and I think Matt would have a hard time taking him down and implementing his game plan. Plus Liddell hits like a ton of bricks (Rich too, but Liddell has the heavier hands) so even a few glancing blows from Chuck might stun Matt. I'd love to see it though.

**Ripped Fetish** · June 12th, 2006, 11:32 PM

Yea I'd love to see the Iceman's sprawl against Matt's take down. Honestly though, I think Chuck's hands are too fast for Hughes and he would go down the same way Randy did.

As for Franklin...well I dont know. Rich has great hands and I dont think Matt would fair well against the reach advantage. Still, it would be interesting to see.

pkpk · June 12th, 2006, 11:59 PM

I think Franklin is strong that Matt. I think it would be a good fight. Rich is a better striker and Matt better wrestler. I have not seen anyone hold down Rich.

No contest, Liddell would beat Matt. Better striker. I don't think Matt can take him down. And very few have held Chuck down. Chuck was a good college wrestler. I think Chuck is a BJJ Brown belt.

Chuch vs Rich. Wow. I think Chuck is better, but Rich is pretty damn good.

tnx4yourhelp · June 14th, 2006, 06:44 AM

i think liddell would knock hughes out.i think hughes would easily beat rich.

**Italianangel** · June 23rd, 2006, 04:50 PM

Matt does not seem like a natural to me, Rich does.......that makes a world of diff I think.

jovian · June 23rd, 2006, 08:29 PM

the strength of matt hughes is mentioned often,does anyone know some numbers on this guy or feats of strength?

**nicole weeks** · June 30th, 2006, 12:41 PM

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Yea I'd love to see the Iceman's sprawl against Matt's take down. Honestly though, I think Chuck's hands are too fast for Hughes and he would go down the same way Randy did.

As for Franklin...well I dont know. Rich has great hands and I dont think Matt would fair well against the reach advantage. Still, it would be interesting to see.

correction....Rich has ONE good hand.

**PowerHouse** · June 30th, 2006, 02:39 PM

I think Hughes would lose to both. If Randy couldn't keep Liddell down how can Matt? Franklin vs Hughes would be interesting, although I have Franklin winning by UD.

**nicole weeks** · June 30th, 2006, 03:16 PM

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I think Hughes would lose to both. If Randy couldn't keep Liddell down how can Matt? Franklin vs Hughes would be interesting, although I have Franklin winning by UD.

Age is a factor with Randy. However, if I were a betting woman, and I am after the bills get paid, my money is still on Liddell. Something about that loopey left and then charging like a bull after he stuns his opponent.

-Nicole

I_own_you · July 2nd, 2006, 05:42 PM

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I think Hughes would lose to both. If Randy couldn't keep Liddell down how can Matt? Franklin vs Hughes would be interesting, although I have Franklin winning by UD.

Yes but Randy was also over the hill, Hughes is in his prime and is faster than Randy and more explosive, there is no doubt chuck would be able to get back up but Matt would take him down again and make him eat shots on the ground.

Rampage was not able to keep Chuck down either but when he took him down he made it worth while with some vicious knees to the body, punches to the body and elbows to the body, ultimately handing chuck his worse loss in his MMA career.

I think UFC is worried, they know Chuck is nearing the end of his career and that is why he is facing weak opposition now and that is also the reason he hasn't returned to fight in Japan against Pride's top stars. C'mon Jeremy Horn? This guy would be a C level fighter in Pride, nowhere near contention. Randy is and was very old and his career was nearing the end, we will see how much Chuck has left when he fights Babalu (which better be UFC 62 and he better be fighting Babalu as Babalu has not lost a match since 2002 and that was to Chuck, anyone who has gone the distance with Fedor, Henderson, Randleman and has beaten Shogun deserves a shot at any title and Chuck better be on his game or he will lose this fight).

At this point in Chuck's career I don't think it would be much a challenge for Wanderlei to make quick work of Chuck and it would likely be a brutal fight with Wandy soccer kicking and foot stomping Chuck, he would do to Chuck's career what he did to Sakuraba's career and that is... pretty much end it.

**nicole weeks** · July 3rd, 2006, 09:09 AM

Tito also has one more fight left in his three-fight contract. So maybe that's a Chuck Liddell match-up?

Babalu deserves his chance at the title, I'll agree with that. He is an equally likely candidate for the title with Ortiz, but I believe Sobral is MORE DESERVING of it than a jack-ass like Ortiz. Tito's best skill set (his big mouth) would be better put to use in the WWE, which is evidenced by Shamrock's fame in previous years.

Rashad Evans deserves his step up the ladder as well, but against who? I don't think Bonner showed up to fight, so that's up for discussion as to where the next fight is for these two. Rashad versus Forrest Griffen is the likely match-up given Bonner's association to Griffen.

Keith Jardein is another light heavy on my radar, but needs more time in to prove himself and increase his skills. And what's Vitor up to these days?

-Nicole

tnx4yourhelp · July 3rd, 2006, 09:25 AM

babalu is getting the next match against chuck.do you mean vitor belfort?if so then he fought last night in an awsome pride.won his fight in 36 sec.

DLee1185 · July 3rd, 2006, 09:27 AM

Matt Hughes vs. Rich Franklin=would be a great fight and I think would go for some distance. Franklin would have a punching chance just because I feel he is alot better at striking then Hughes (not to say that Hughes has not improved). I think Hughes would get in the situation where he would be looking for the take down and ground and pound.

Matt Hughes vs. Chuck Liddell=too much of a weight difference, Hughes is extremely strong, but if he got caught by just one heavy hit from Liddell, it would be over, Liddell would just pound until in was called by the ref. But, once again, there could be the chance, that is, if Hughes did what Randy did in their first fight.

Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva=AMAZING FIGHT, I am giving Chuck more of a chance then you (I own You) but I do feel that Wanderlei would win, I just feel that it would be more of a battle then just Wanderlei foot stomping Chuck. Both of these Fighters are Veterans and have developed ways to stay in the fight and not rush things, they would start alittle slow and then, BAM, it would be like freaking WW3. They both have learned about not rushing in (ie-Wanderlei and Belfort, a looong time ago, but a lessoned learned)

Also, that comment of Hughes having the same effect as Fedor in Japan, I have to disagree, although Hughes would have a great career and amazing draw in Pride, I don't think he is in the same category as Fedor-They both have great things going for them, just different things

**nicole weeks** · July 3rd, 2006, 09:43 AM

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babalu is getting the next match against chuck.do you mean vitor belfort?if so then he fought last night in an awsome pride.won his fight in 36 sec.

I can't wait to get Dish Network, or that other satelite system (which is better?) so that I can watch Pride and other MMA fights. Cable sucks, and Brighthouse sucks dog worse!

Yes, I meant Belfort. And are you sure Chuck and Babalu are fighting in UFC 62, or is that speculation?

-Nicole

**Ripped Fetish** · July 3rd, 2006, 10:30 AM

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And are you sure Chuck and Babalu are fighting in UFC 62, or is that speculation?

-Nicole

It's been rumored and there are a lot of places online that's confirming it (ie. blogs). However, I dont think anything is official yet. There should be something from the UFC after Bitter Rivals which is this saturday.

edit: on a side note, Tito Ortiz will be on UFC's all access tonight (10 pm est.).

I_own_you · July 3rd, 2006, 03:36 PM

Yes Belfort was snatched up by Pride (not really sure why), Belfort was coming off of a loss to overeem (the better brother Alistar) which was one of the more boring fights in MMA and was a unanimous decision. That is good that Vitor won last night because he has not looked good for quite sometime and you never know which Vitor is going to show up, the old explosive Vitor or the new Vitor that always looks lost in the ring.

Yes fedor is something special, I would have to agree that Hughes has not reached that level and likely never will unless he goes to Japan or just fights Penn and St. Pierre for the rest of his career so it is not for lack of skill it is for lack of competition as he has not been hurt as much as Fedor has and pulled off amazing victories though his win against Trigg where Trigg hit him in the cup was reminiscant of the Fedor Fujia fight with both of them being almost out of it and coming back to win. Hughes wins are just as doninant, he is not as well rounded as Fedor but not many people are as Fedor has incredible punching power but Hughes has proven time and time again that he dominated strikers and wrestlers. Hughes has not been put in a situation enough where his bell is rung and he must pull out something spectacular to win the fight but I am sure he will recover from more of those in his career.