UFC 64: upstoppable (Oct. 14)

**Ripped Fetish** · August 29th, 2006, 10:50 PM

Rich Franklin vs. Anderson Silva

**thisisphil03** · August 30th, 2006, 02:26 PM

Franklin by Decision

tnx4yourhelp · August 31st, 2006, 05:59 AM

silva by ko or stoppage

**Ripped Fetish** · September 1st, 2006, 09:25 AM

I think it's going to be a good fight. It'll be nice to see a strong striker fight Franklin. There's also rumors, I believe, of a KenFlo vs. Sean Sherk title fight on the same card.

Mr.Noodle · September 1st, 2006, 12:03 PM

BAGHHH!
Kenny Florian is one of the most overrated fighters ever.
He hasn't impressed me at all during his fights.
He only beat Leben because of stoppage, Leben was still kicking Kennys @ss as the doctor called the fight.
And Kenny vs Sanchez?...Please, the most one sided loss I've ever seen.

If Kenny becomes a title holder I'd be impressed, but he has no chance whatsoever.

-Noodle

**eqpfunk** · September 1st, 2006, 12:37 PM

Kenny will get annhialated. He sucks against dominant wrestlers and Sherk is like Matt Hughes' mini me. So far this is shaping up to be a decent card. I dunno what's gonna happen w/Franklin vs. Anderson...Franklin has been completely off the map since beating Lousieu into pulp and injuring himself in the process. Anderson has a slight striking advantage, but Franklin is a big ass 185er. My money's on Franklin.

**Ripped Fetish** · September 1st, 2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eqpfunk

Kenny will get annhialated. He sucks against dominant wrestlers and Sherk is like Matt Hughes' mini me. So far this is shaping up to be a decent card. I dunno what's gonna happen w/Franklin vs. Anderson...Franklin has been completely off the map since beating Lousieu into pulp and injuring himself in the process. Anderson has a slight striking advantage, but Franklin is a big ass 185er. My money's on Franklin.

Actually, for some strange reason, I think Kenny is going to surprise a lot of people. Anyway, if I had a pick a winner for the main fight, I think I'd lean towards Silva. And no I'm not feeding off the of his easy win over Leben (Leben is just a brawler who will never reach the top of the division). Silva just has the body of a striker and I think he'll overwhelm Franklin. But regardless of the outcome, it's nice to see another strong striker at 185. Now if the UFC could acquire some strong strikers for 205, i'd be happy.

**Ripped Fetish** · September 22nd, 2006, 01:34 PM

Sean Sherk Vs. Kenny Florian (confirmed)

**eqpfunk** · September 22nd, 2006, 02:16 PM

Anyone think Rich is gonna have a hard time? He hasn't fought since Feb and is coming back from injuries. I don't know who to go with here. If Rich is 100% I say he wins by TKO, but if he makes a single mistake, he's going to taste a knee from Anderson and probably be on his ass.

**Ripped Fetish** · September 22nd, 2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eqpfunk

Anyone think Rich is gonna have a hard time? He hasn't fought since Feb and is coming back from injuries. I don't know who to go with here. If Rich is 100% I say he wins by TKO, but if he makes a single mistake, he's going to taste a knee from Anderson and probably be on his ass.

Either way I think it's going to be a good fight. I expect to see Rich stand and throw for a min or two before working from the clinch. I honestly think though that this fight can go either way and it's going to be great to see a title fight between two experienced strikers. If I had to put money on it, I'd go with Silva.

**thisisphil03** · September 22nd, 2006, 08:03 PM

Is this a title fight, btw? I dunno. Rich Franklin looked extremely good fighting David Louiseau with a broken hand and foot. I would imagine he'd have a real good fight against Silva. I like Silva's fighting a little more though. Regardless, should be a exciting bout

iancobb00 · September 22nd, 2006, 09:50 PM

Hold on one second... Kenny Florian is fighting the second strongest wrestler in the UFC in one Sean Sherk....

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... breathe.... hahahahahahahahaha..... Will they be able to peel him off of Sherk's glove?

After watching his fight with Diaz, I feel that Sherk actually has the upright advantage. He took it to Hughes in two of the five rounds--actually beating him on the ground! I'm guessing he's got the ground advantage too. Then again, he's fighting in a different weight class... some of the power is gone. St. Pierre and Hughes proved that Sherk can't do jack off his back--typical wrestler--but Flowerboy Florian is no Hughes of Rush.

Anderson Silva has some impressive names on his beaten list... Carlos Newton, Jeremy Horn... but his ground game seems to be his least effective attribute. I don't think Franklin can stand with him on account of the control of center line. Franklin throws punches with a little flare of the elbow. Silva uses more of the straight, lay into 'em Thai style punching. His punches will hit before Franklin's do. I expect Franklin to take a lot of stiff jabs before he clinches, goes to the ground, and works ground and pound. Most of Silva's pro experience comes from Pride and similar Vale Tudo organizations. They tend to use a much calmer ground game, as opposed to the U.S.'s heavy emphasis on constant pressure and G-n-P. For that reason, and the fact that Franklin is probably the stronger grappler, I see him earning a decision victory by ground control.

**Ripped Fetish** · September 22nd, 2006, 11:42 PM

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After watching his fight with Diaz, I feel that Sherk actually has the upright advantage. He took it to Hughes in two of the five rounds--actually beating him on the ground! I'm guessing he's got the ground advantage too. Then again, he's fighting in a different weight class... some of the power is gone. St. Pierre and Hughes proved that Sherk can't do jack off his back--typical wrestler--but Flowerboy Florian is no Hughes of Rush..

I would say that Sherk is favored to win but I wouldnt count out Kenny. Sherk's fight with Diaz wasnt impressive because any wrestler can make Diaz look like a fool. Sherk is also both too muscled and his arms arent long enough to have a ton of power in his punches so I wouldnt even give Sherk the striking advantage. Sherk definitely has the wrestling advantage but Kenny is use to working off his back. I can actually see Kenny pulling off a submission win...of course I can also see him getting GNP'ed out in the first round...either way, I think too many people, maybe even including Sherk, are over looking Kenny.

OBE · September 22nd, 2006, 11:52 PM

Pride Fighting Rocks!
The variety of fighters, and looser rules make Pride fighting much more viewable and exciting.

**eqpfunk** · September 23rd, 2006, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OBE

Pride Fighting Rocks!
The variety of fighters, and looser rules make Pride fighting much more viewable and exciting.

We're not talking about Pride dude. There are other pride threads. Go pollute those.

**eqpfunk** · September 23rd, 2006, 12:16 AM

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I would say that Sherk is favored to win but I wouldnt count out Kenny. Sherk's fight with Diaz wasnt impressive because any wrestler can make Diaz look like a fool. Sherk is also both too muscled and his arms arent long enough to have a ton of power in his punches so I wouldnt even give Sherk the striking advantage. Sherk definitely has the wrestling advantage but Kenny is use to working off his back. I can actually see Kenny pulling off a submission win...of course I can also see him getting GNP'ed out in the first round...either way, I think too many people, maybe even including Sherk, are over looking Kenny.

I'll admit KF has made some solid strikers look piss poor, like Kit Kope and Sam Stout, but Sherk is a whole different animal. I see this going the same way his fight with Diego went. But hey, you never know. He does have some slick Jiu-Jitsu.

tnx4yourhelp · September 23rd, 2006, 01:00 AM

although i am undecided about kenny florian isn't he a black belt under one of the old school gracie's in bjj?

**Ripped Fetish** · September 23rd, 2006, 01:28 AM

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although i am undecided about kenny florian isn't he a black belt under one of the old school gracie's in bjj?

He began with Roberto Maia at BJJ/Gracie Barra in Watertown, MA and travels a lot to Gracie Barra Academy in Rio de Janeiro (according to his website). He got his black belt in 2003.

iancobb00 · September 23rd, 2006, 01:56 PM

Sherk has over forty fights, is as good of a wrestler (not MMA grappler...just straight wrestler) as Hughes, and will be much faster as he is fighting in a more natural weight class. Let's be honest; Florian's never fought anybody with MMA skill. Stout and Cope shouldn't have taken those fights because they have no ground game. Nevertheless, you watch Kenny fight these guys and notice that he doesn't look as dominant one would presume a black belt to be. Ken-Flo--could you find a dumber, less Miami Vice nickname???--is a traditional BJJ practitioner; as Marcello Montiero would say, he uses 1996 ju-jitsu and not 2006 ju-jitsu. Modern ju-jitsu needs to have a strong wrestling influence. The Gracies claimed that their art was designed to empower the smaller man. But that has been proven false; I've rolled with guys who had a hundred+ pounds on me; despite the fact that I'm more athletic and talented--in regards to ju-jitsu, anyway--I couldn't finish them to save my life because I couldn't get off my back. In addition, armbars and triangles don't do much good if the guy's too big to secure a tight guard. They aren't much use if the guy can stack you up like a Lego set and pull his arm out.

I think Sherk's only inferior quality is his mental game. In his fights with Hughes and St. Pierre, he played a much too conservative game once he got put on his back. He stayed inactive and got beaten.

Once again, Kenny Florian is no St. Pierre of Hughes. In my opinion, he has no business being in the UFC--along with many other UF contestants. Even though I can't stand him, Josh Koschek deserved the qualifying spot more than Kenny Florian. Hell, even Leben deserved it more, and he really isn't that good either. I'd much rather see real fighters who don't have "credentials" like belts than fighters whose careers are based off of tomatoe can victories...

**Ripped Fetish** · September 28th, 2006, 11:52 AM

Jon Fitch (11 - 2 - 0) vs. Kuniyoshi Hironaka (10 - 2 - 0)

Keith Jardine (11 - 2 - 1) vs. Mike Nickels (4 - 1 - 0)

Clay Guida (20 - 6 - 0) vs. Justin James (11 - 5 - 0)