Crocop defeated

dominusrex · April 23rd, 2007, 04:19 PM

Very painful to watch him get knocked out by Gonzaga.

**TheManWhoCan** · April 24th, 2007, 05:59 PM

It was. He'll be back though. I really wanted him to win to.

But next time when making a topic like this, be a little more discreet in the title.

**ItalianStallion** · April 24th, 2007, 06:30 PM

he will be back betta...he has only lost 5 times in his career...2 decisions...2 ko n 1 submission....he has ova 20 wins n will be back...he has 4 fights left on contract...he only needs to win 2/3 to get title shot n than he will get chance to fight for title...he will be back..that was a tough match to watch tho

dominusrex · April 25th, 2007, 06:53 AM

i assumed everybody already knew. Its been all over the mma forums.

manbiggo · April 27th, 2007, 07:38 PM

He was walking back almost the whole fight and didn't throw anything for like 30 seconds. Cro Cop not confident? It was a weird and dissapoint night.

afmateo40 · April 27th, 2007, 08:07 PM

Cropcop sucks

**raijin1** · April 27th, 2007, 10:34 PM

I didn't see it, I don't even follow UFC or MMA anymore... but one thing I know...

Never assume someone is unbeatable...

Several years back, I watched Vitor Belfort pound the hell out of the 'unbeatable Badboy of UFC' Tank Abbot... And I said to myself, no one will beat this guy for years.... Then a couple months later, he had his ass handed to him by someone whose name I can't even remember...

Point being, no matter how good you are, there is always someone better... On any given day...

I_own_you · April 28th, 2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by raijin1

I didn't see it, I don't even follow UFC or MMA anymore... but one thing I know...

Never assume someone is unbeatable...

Several years back, I watched Vitor Belfort pound the hell out of the 'unbeatable Badboy of UFC' Tank Abbot... And I said to myself, no one will beat this guy for years.... Then a couple months later, he had his ass handed to him by someone whose name I can't even remember...

Point being, no matter how good you are, there is always someone better... On any given day...

True but back then we did not know what we do now, cardio wins fights and Tank has 0 of it. Ontop of that his ground game is horrid and to be honest Tank never even won a UFC tournament, they were just hyping him like Dana White and Goldberg do all fo the UFC fighters. Hell they were calling Kongo the future at HW and what a joke that turned out to be.

The closest to unbeatable in MMA is Fedor and when speaking in temrs of his greatness, no one has even come close. He is 26-1 with his only loss being due to cut which should've and would've resulted in a No Contest however since it was a tournament someone had to advance so they gave Fedor the loss (which he later avenged easily).

**ItalianStallion** · April 28th, 2007, 04:34 AM

cro cop is a defensive fighter n counter punches..hence is runnin around n not throwin mny punches...he is a great fighter...in pride there is no elbows allowed n gonzaga unleashed em this fight..cro cop said afta that he will practice defendin n thrown elbows from now on..i dont kno why he didnt do it before?...cro cops my fav fighter n i believe he will fight back..cro cop doesnt suck...he is beatable but its hard...as u can see from this last fight didnt look too hard...but he is 22-5-1...he lost 2 fights to decision..1 fight to submission...n 2 KO's...on ne given nite a fighter can lsoe to a lucky punch..or punch that connects well...cro cop losing doesnt make him suck..he just got out matched today...but hes one of the best around...hes still #2 hw in world to me in mma...fedor seems unstopable...for not atleast...but cro cop is a badass..even tho gonzaga ko'd him this was the only good fighter hes eva fought...he'll get respect when he beats the likes of guys cro cop has beat

I_own_you · April 28th, 2007, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ItalianStallion

cro cop is a defensive fighter n counter punches..hence is runnin around n not throwin mny punches...he is a great fighter...in pride there is no elbows allowed n gonzaga unleashed em this fight..cro cop said afta that he will practice defendin n thrown elbows from now on..i dont kno why he didnt do it before?...cro cops my fav fighter n i believe he will fight back..cro cop doesnt suck...he is beatable but its hard...as u can see from this last fight didnt look too hard...but he is 22-5-1...he lost 2 fights to decision..1 fight to submission...n 2 KO's...on ne given nite a fighter can lsoe to a lucky punch..or punch that connects well...cro cop losing doesnt make him suck..he just got out matched today...but hes one of the best around...hes still #2 hw in world to me in mma...fedor seems unstopable...for not atleast...but cro cop is a badass..even tho gonzaga ko'd him this was the only good fighter hes eva fought...he'll get respect when he beats the likes of guys cro cop has beat

Gonzaga fought Werdum in Jungle Fight and lost though he did very well (3 round fight where Gonzaga ended up gassing and getting pummeled).

#2 HW clearly goes to Minotauro now though as far as current rankings but Mirko should still be ranked in the top 5 for sure. The problem he is going to continue to face that Big Nog and Barnett will not face is the elbows. Both Nog and Barnett will be able to deal with them right now whereas Mirko needs to train on them. The problem with Mirko is that he has way too much PRIDE and thinks he is always right. He didn't even train for the fight in a cage, he just continued his ring training as usual like he was stepping into a PRIDE ring with PRIDE rules, just very odd. You could tell once the elows were bouncing off of his temple and he was cut, he was shaken up.

He's a phenomenal counter puncher however is mostly an offensive fighter, he is just very patient and precise. Chuck and AA are counter puchers. Mirko is more like Lyoto Machida in that they are both very quick and elusive, making them incredibly difficult to hit. They would much rather not counter punch because counter punching leaves them in the pocket with the possibility of getting hit as opposed to getting off their strikes and then eluding their opponent.

**TheManWhoCan** · April 28th, 2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by raijin1

I didn't see it, I don't even follow UFC or MMA anymore... but one thing I know...

Never assume someone is unbeatable...

Several years back, I watched Vitor Belfort pound the hell out of the 'unbeatable Badboy of UFC' Tank Abbot... And I said to myself, no one will beat this guy for years.... Then a couple months later, he had his ass handed to him by someone whose name I can't even remember...

Point being, no matter how good you are, there is always someone better... On any given day...

That's exactally right. If you assume you're going to walk over somebody, boy are you in for a surprise. That's what's so dynamic about the fight game. It doesn't matter what your record is, the person you're fighting now is always a different fight. Anybody can beat anybody on any given day.

Kinda like football no? On "any given Sunday", any team can beat any team.

Oh, and I would imagine that the closest to unbeatable in MMA is somebody who is undefeated. Makes sense to me.

Pro_Khan · April 28th, 2007, 05:04 PM

Cro Cop didn't just get defeated. He got knocked the f*CK out! He was shaken up, even after he regained consciousness. I'm hoping he stays, though, in the UFC fro a while. There's some good heavyweights, like Arlovski and Sylvia who could give him competition.

manbiggo · April 28th, 2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro_Khan

Cro Cop didn't just get defeated. He got knocked the f*CK out! He was shaken up, even after he regained consciousness. I'm hoping he stays, though, in the UFC fro a while. There's some good heavyweights, like Arlovski and Sylvia who could give him competition.

As long as he's healthy, where else is he going to go?

I_own_you · April 29th, 2007, 04:46 AM

^^^ Back to PRIDE to fight Fedor adn then retire after he gets destroyed again.

Mirko has always been a money hungry fighter, you must remember this is the same guy that put the 2006 OWGP in shambles after refusing to fight once he found out the runner up does not get paid for that fight. He does not have the champion's mentality becasue he is worried about not getting paid for a fight when the real prize is making to the finals regardless of the outcome.

PRIDE had to renegotiate with him to even get him back into the tournament. Knowing that, it is clear to me that he would be willing to retire from MMA in a heartbeat if he does not get his way and aside from money, his family has always been top priority and he easily makes enough to retire (especially once his 6 fight UFC contract is up).

The main reson he left PRIDE was because money and he saw it as an easy way to get the HW title. He and Dana White have already clashed several times due to Mirko skipping out on press conferences. This was something he did not have to do in PRIDE, he simply showed up in Japan at his hotel and would come out right before his fight, then fight and then fly right back to Croatia.

With the UFC he has to show up a day in advance to attend the weigh-in, then fight, then do a press confenrence and then fly back to Croatia. He also hates talkign to Rogan after the fights as he is always short and Rogan always asks all of the fighters the same exact thing and it is always something stupid like "where do you go from here" when the answer is obvious, he has 4 fights left in his contract, he just got inialated, obviously he is going to go back and watch the fight over and over again then start training in a cage and training to defend elbows.

He will be back and will get his title shot, hopefully it will be against Big Nog.

**ItalianStallion** · April 29th, 2007, 02:00 PM

cro cop is from croatia..how do u think the money is over there...pride ufc make shit loads of money of these guys who put themselves in harms way to fight...ur tellin me money isnt an option to u guys..come on...this guy is a police special forces in croatia n works wit the croation govt...dont say hes money hungry...hes tryin to get wat he think he deserves..hes obviouslly gonna retire soon n will need money to provide for fam so hes gettin as much as he can..is that so wrong? he has 4 fights left on his contract n im sure thats what he'll do...

Pro_Khan · May 1st, 2007, 05:53 PM

I like Joe Rogan a lot. But The stuff he asked Cro Cop that night was ignorant.
Dude, there are still lil birdies circling his head after his gray matter got bounced around in his SECOND UFC fgiht!

What kind of philosophical gem do you honestly think he's gonna reveal?

Mirko: "Well, Joe, I am happy to fly halfway around the planet, and then to be severely punk'd in front of a huge international audience in my second appearance in the UFC."

Joe: "You're a trooper, man. OK. Now let's cue that replay up for the 9th time."

Mirko: "OK. Joe."

Joe: "WOW! That's crazy! I've never seen a guy's leg twist around like that without snappin' like a Slim Jim. Did that hurt at all?"

Mirko: "Hurt? I don't remember, Joe. I was... unconcsious at that time."

Joe: "It looked majorly painful, dude. Are you sure it ain't broken? 'Cuz I thought, with all due respect, that they were gonna call for an ambulance. I mean you were all twisted up like a Croatian pretzel."

Mirko: "Pretzel? You call me a pretzel?"

Joe: "Well, that's what it looked like. Oh, and BTW, now that your hopes for coming anywhere near the title shot against Randy Couture spilled out of your brain pan, what's your next move?"

Mirko: "Perhaps I will crush your monkey head like a walnut."

I_own_you · May 3rd, 2007, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pro_Khan

I like Joe Rogan a lot. But The stuff he asked Cro Cop that night was ignorant.
Dude, there are still lil birdies circling his head after his gray matter got bounced around in his SECOND UFC fgiht!

What kind of philosophical gem do you honestly think he's gonna reveal?

Mirko: "Well, Joe, I am happy to fly halfway around the planet, and then to be severely punk'd in front of a huge international audience in my second appearance in the UFC."

Joe: "You're a trooper, man. OK. Now let's cue that replay up for the 9th time."

Mirko: "OK. Joe."

Joe: "WOW! That's crazy! I've never seen a guy's leg twist around like that without snappin' like a Slim Jim. Did that hurt at all?"

Mirko: "Hurt? I don't remember, Joe. I was... unconcsious at that time."

Joe: "It looked majorly painful, dude. Are you sure it ain't broken? 'Cuz I thought, with all due respect, that they were gonna call for an ambulance. I mean you were all twisted up like a Croatian pretzel."

Mirko: "Pretzel? You call me a pretzel?"

Joe: "Well, that's what it looked like. Oh, and BTW, now that your hopes for coming anywhere near the title shot against Randy Couture spilled out of your brain pan, what's your next move?"

Mirko: "Perhaps I will crush your monkey head like a walnut."

That's a gem! Great post.

And Italian Stallion, no I certainly don't blame him for wantign to get paid, that is the ultimate goal and the soul purpose for them chosing that profession but I definitely do blame him for pulling out of the OWGP and DSE havign to coax him back in, you just don't do that type of stuff when your BOSS is heavily relying on you to draw in a viewing audience. Finances are already worked out before the events, Mirko just needs to fire his manager or pay much closer attention because he should've caught it much earlier.

But of every MMA fihgter he is widely recognized as the most money hungry fighter out there. He will have PLENTY of money to retire with, his 6 fight contract is worth $350,000 per fight plus 1%-2% of the PPV buys when he headlines (same deal Couture and Chuck get but they only get a base pay of $250,000 per fight however the PPV percentages are what get hem paid as it easily puts them in the 1-2 million+ mark each time they headline) in addition to a supposed $2.5 million signing bonus.

Watching how he was mentally broken by both Fedor an Hunt and now watching as he was broken yet again by Gonzaga, it is going to be a difficult comeback for him after getting KOed liek that. Look at what happend after Randleman KOed him, they fed him cans to build his confidence back up but with him only having 4 fights left on his contract he will likely only get 1 easy fight and then his next fight will be for the #1 contender spot because ZUFFA does not award title fights if there are no fights left on that fighters contract. Mirko has all of the physical gifts but does not posess the heart and desire that it takes to defeat mentally tough fighters. He lost to Fedor, Big Nog, Hunt and Gonzaga and those guys all have a ton of heart and will to win, a lot of times it comes down to that.

howardlaz · May 3rd, 2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by manbiggo

He was walking back almost the whole fight and didn't throw anything for like 30 seconds. Cro Cop not confident? It was a weird and dissapoint night.

Crocop tends to fight off his heels a lot. He ran backwards each time he fought Fedor. It's just his style of trying to get the guy coming in...

**torofuerte** · June 1st, 2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by howardlaz

Crocop tends to fight off his heels a lot. He ran backwards each time he fought Fedor. It's just his style of trying to get the guy coming in...

Exactly. He prefers to counterpunch, let opponents chase him and work them, set them up for a KO kick to the head. That has been his modus operandi.

CroCop got overconfident. He thought the UFC would be a cake walk. I still believe PRIDE has the better fighters, but that does not mean the UFC is a cake walk. He has this attitude that a grappler cannot knock him out. A striker of his class should have known better.

Another thing (which show cases his over confidence) is that he did not train in a cage as preparation for his fight with Gonzaga. That's just fucking stupid. A cage and a square roped ring are different environment, which leads to different rules, opportunities, hazards and tactics in ring generalship.

After his loss, he put a cage in his training place, so I guess he learned his lesson. He understimated the environment of the cage, and he understimated Gonzaga for a grappler with no striking ability.

Terrible, terrible tactical mistake. Pride makes you blind.

iancobb00 · June 1st, 2007, 08:23 PM

He's just not that good... his technical abilities are no better than the average joe. I've said this before: having cannons for arms/legs doesn't make you a good combatant.
By the way, MWC, there's nothing wrong with the title; if more papers would be so forthcoming, one wouldn't have to waste time reading an article only to find out it's just somebody's opinions without any actual supporting facts. ...Oh, and you spelled discrete incorrectly... but that's not really that important.