About Street fighting+ tips

marc15yo · April 25th, 2007, 09:32 PM

This isn't just for me it's for everybody out there who are having the same trouble as i am. I need to clarify some things and i wish someone would post something about it

1) What to do when you are made fun off, humiliated, lost the fight and if you got something stolen at the same time. BUT you know those who did that to you.

2) A very easy quick way to overcome an opponent who is fast and agile when
you are fighting him but to make sure he won't be able to stand up to harass you again so fight can end an you can go home.

3) how to not feel like a looser when you lost in a fight. but you don't want to be humiliated.

4) HOW you can find a boxing class when there are none around your area.

**ProfGumby** · April 25th, 2007, 10:29 PM

You wont like my answer....

Don't street fight. Martial arts is a discipline and for self defence. Street fighting these days is a good way to get shot.

If something was stolen, you have 2 options, school officials, the police....

If you were humiliated, they won. No matter what you do now. No one can take your dignity from you if you don't let them.

**cryer** · April 25th, 2007, 10:39 PM

I can only say this Marc and it is the most honest answer you need to hear and take to heart. Odds are that if you lose a fight to someone and their friends are all around to cheer that person on and kick his ass or start to win, his friends will jump in because nowadays there aren't that many honorable people around anymore. Secondly, if you do lose an honest one-on-one, you shouldn't feel humiliated, especialy if the person is bigger than you. There is no reason to feel humiliated. The other individual should feel less of a man or whatever for instigating a fight with someone who is not of their own size. As for boxing, it does have its merits, but is usually best pitted against other boxers. The same thing goes for most fighting styles unless you have a mixture of fighting styles and can adapt on the fly so-to-speak. In my opinion, the best combative sport to participate in would wrestling. Greco wrestling if you can find it. Boxing paired with this and perhaps some type of jiu jitsu where ground work is involved would be the best arsenal to defend yourself...or dish out some retribution if need be. Remember...one the best sayings I heard is "there is no honor in dying, it's how honorably you live your life." Just make sure you do whatever you choodse to do for the right reasons. Revenge is sweet, but bittersweet. It usually leaves you with a taste of shame in your mouth sometime down the road. Chin-up Marc. Hope this has helped you out. I am not a self-proclaimed tough-guy nor do I ever feel the need to prove myself to anyone. You will probably get some smart-ass replies from people who can take on the world and have already and won. Good for them. What you do not only affects you but also the ones around you who care about you. Be careful what you choose. Take care.

marc15yo · April 25th, 2007, 10:47 PM

thank you so much. I thought about it and fighting wouldn't lead to anything
and you are right. i will take it, some people are just plain better but....
i will next time if someone messes with me i will think about what you said and walk away but if that someone is willing to kick my ass, I will onl fight to protect myself so i'll think of anyway to finish him quick. BUT I WILL TAKE YOUR ADVICE THANX I WONT FIGHT HIM AGAIN I LOST SO I'M GONNA TAKE IT

marc15yo · April 25th, 2007, 10:50 PM

THANKS ALSO ProfGumby AND I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK I'll take a martial art class not so i beat someone up but for self-defense. i did a lot of thinking and
I will follow your advices.

katz7479 · April 25th, 2007, 11:38 PM

dont street fight its illegal. only fight to protect yourself or your family. Those are the only honorable ways to fight and legal way.

Video games, cash , tv's can be replaced but a dead kid cant

**thisisphil03** · April 27th, 2007, 05:06 AM

Ok, these kinda threads pop up all the time, so much so, that I think that someone just randomly posts something to the matter. But anyways, if you want my opinion on what to do:

1. If something was stolen from you, you won't get it back simply by asking for it. You need to go to some type of authority figure, whether it be a principal or teacher, or police, or parent. You should also be able to prove that it was your item, to strengthen your case. i.e. if there are any scratches that you put on it, or if you set up the name of the psp (you do this when you first turn it on, then you go to the setup menu to check it.)

2. I know I might get a lot of flack for this, and it's not something I personally condone, but if you need to take someone out, quick and simple kick them in the groin. It is probably the quickest way to take a guy out. Ya, there's honor, and a sense of fighting 'fair' to be concerned about, but to be honest if you cannot win, and you cannot avoid confrontation, that is the quickest, and probably the safest in the long run for both people, to end the fight. People will call you a cheater, dirty fighter, whatever. But at the end of the day, you dropped the guy, and you won the fight. If the guy is bigger than you, and can punch or kick you further than you can kick, rush in, and throw a knee to the groin. You'll eat a few punches, but the guy will go down. If you want to fight fair, then organize a boxing match or something. Remember, this is a street fight. A shot to the groin will say you don't want to fight, it is the most obvious, easiest way to incapacitate them. There are many other things you could do, but this is the easiest.

3. Can't really help you with that. Only you can take that feeling away. The only reason you feel humiliated is because there was a crowd. People will talk for a week or so then forget about it. Move on.

4. Just search for schools online. You should be able to find one. Where are you located anyway?

**painless2** · April 28th, 2007, 12:11 AM

Nothing wrong with #2 phil, unless you don't do it properly.

**TheManWhoCan** · April 28th, 2007, 12:39 AM

^ lol. Yes a botched kick to the groin is going to get you into a world of hurt.

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Originally Posted by cryer

I can only say this Marc and it is the most honest answer you need to hear and take to heart. Odds are that if you lose a fight to someone and their friends are all around to cheer that person on and kick his ass or start to win, his friends will jump in because nowadays there aren't that many honorable people around anymore. Secondly, if you do lose an honest one-on-one, you shouldn't feel humiliated, especialy if the person is bigger than you. There is no reason to feel humiliated. The other individual should feel less of a man or whatever for instigating a fight with someone who is not of their own size. As for boxing, it does have its merits, but is usually best pitted against other boxers. The same thing goes for most fighting styles unless you have a mixture of fighting styles and can adapt on the fly so-to-speak. In my opinion, the best combative sport to participate in would wrestling. Greco wrestling if you can find it. Boxing paired with this and perhaps some type of jiu jitsu where ground work is involved would be the best arsenal to defend yourself...or dish out some retribution if need be. Remember...one the best sayings I heard is "there is no honor in dying, it's how honorably you live your life." Just make sure you do whatever you choodse to do for the right reasons. Revenge is sweet, but bittersweet. It usually leaves you with a taste of shame in your mouth sometime down the road. Chin-up Marc. Hope this has helped you out. I am not a self-proclaimed tough-guy nor do I ever feel the need to prove myself to anyone. You will probably get some smart-ass replies from people who can take on the world and have already and won. Good for them. What you do not only affects you but also the ones around you who care about you. Be careful what you choose. Take care.

I would not condone the advice about taking up wrestling primarily because you can't wrestle 3 guys at once. And when you're focused on wrestling somebody to the ground, his friends will come in and beat your head in. Wrestling isn't practical enough in a real life situation, there's no two ways about it. It isn't direct, it isn't effective in stopping a volitile situation immediately, and leaves you wide open and totally vulnerable. When people get angry and you try to wrestle them they get angrier. It's very difficult to nullify a flailing, adrenaline filled tough guy. And most people know how to instinctively put others into a headlock and squeeze with everything they have.

Contrary to that, if you've never learned how to throw a punch, a punch is useless. And if you've never learned how to defend against one, you'll almost always get hit.

My suggestion is to take up boxing before anything else. It will give you a variety of different ways to take somebody out and it is really straight forward. You'll learn not to be afraid to get hit, and learn some real solid defense that is tried and tested.

katz7479 · April 28th, 2007, 01:22 AM

Hey i was goign to suggest this as a for a way to learn the proper way to defend yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Jiu-Jitsu

I used to take this during middle school and we did half session ground and half standing(not sure wat to call it) it depends on who is teaching you but maybe u can end up finding one that teachses in this way. I learned both self defense and a good amount of grapples and kick boxing styles to defend myslef properly. I am going to get back into this type of stuff once i find an instuctor i enjoy goign to

I_own_you · April 28th, 2007, 01:46 AM

Groin strkes are effective and eye gouges are just as effective and even more brutal (ask Chuck Liddell) becasue when someone gets their eye gouged they freak out and get really scared, plus they can't see a thing.

If you are looking to learn a discipline I would recomend Muay Thai Kickboxing over traditional Boxing because when speaking in terms of your average everyday person they do not know how to use kicks nor how to defend agaisnt them and kicks are more devistating than punches. If you cannot find a Muay Thai classes traditional boxing is your next best choice.

The reason I would not suggest taking Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or classic Jiu-Jitsu is because those are only effective when in a 1 on 1 situation. It is extrmely effective in a 1 on 1 situation but if you have someone in an arm bar, triangle choke or rear naked choke and the guy has a friend or friends with him they will just kick you dead in the face and your done whereas when striking you can lay someone out quickly and be prepared in the case that others choose to involve themselves in the altercation.

If you would like to become a complete fighter I would suggest taking Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (take Muay Thai for a year and then take BJJ for at least a year) or if you can find a school that offers Combat Sambo, that would be the very best choice for you as that is a combination of Judo, catch wrestling (which is a combination of wrestling and submissions) and striking (also teaches weapon training).

But certainly don't get into training for the soul purpose of inflicting bodily harm upon someone, do it for self defense and confidence, knowing that if you are in a situation where you need to take a stand you will have the skill set to do so.

**biscuitman357** · April 28th, 2007, 02:29 AM

Almost all fights end up on the ground.

Learning to ground fight would be the most useful skills to learn.

I agree with some sentiments above, avoid a fight if you can, if you can't, remember the person you fight might not be in it to hurt you and leave. Some people fight to kill in all circumstances. Something to think about.

**TheManWhoCan** · April 28th, 2007, 03:25 PM

^ None of the fights I've been in, or my cousin, uncle, dad, friends, have ended up on the ground. It goes there when people don't know what they are doing and it turns into a scrap.

I know a lot of people don't like to hear this, but grappling isn't effective in a real fight situation where there are way more variables in play. Taking a fight to the ground intentionally with other people around you is ridiculous. And almost every fight has somebody else around besides the guy you're fighting. They don't care about honour, or discipline, or fairness, or restraint. You will get kicked in the face, you will be pulled off of him, you will get gang beaten, and you may die. If this is something people call effective and a good way to train for a real fight then I don't know what to say....

I'm not saying grappling is useless, not in the least. I've trained in wrestling, Aikido, Judo, and Jiu jutsu and the people I've come across are easily maintained and restrained when they choose to grapple with me. It's good to know in case some lunatic charges you when you're politely trying to calm the situation down and he's having none of it.

Some martial arts are better suited for real life situations then others. That's just a fact. No matter what you're studying, make sure you understand what will be effective. Don't just copy what you see in the UFC and expect that that's what works. Study the martial arts, don't just mimic them.

Jake15 · April 29th, 2007, 12:49 AM

That statistic that 95% of fights go to the ground is crap.

Usuelly a fight will end in one or two punches.

Don't fight. You said he stole your stuff? SOme people will shank you if you did that to them. Figting is more about weapons and how many friends you have.

If you absolutely have to fight, than you need to learn a martial art or boxing. Every style has weaknesses and strengths, so pick one that suits you.

For example, tae kwon do is about speed and power, jui jitsu is about technique and endurance. BOxing, what your interested in, is pretty well rounded. Give some classes a try and see what you like. DOn't just try to become a boxer before you even know if you like it or not.

**copenhagenbd** · April 29th, 2007, 02:15 AM

Have to agree with jake here. Most of the time when the fight goes to the ground it ends up getting broken up. This isnt in a ring or octagon. My advice, punch the bastard in the nose as hard as you can and just keep feeding him shots in the face for all your worth. 1 of 2 things will happen; either you will end up kicking the shit outta the guy or your going to end up getting your ass kicked. Nothing to be ashamed of man if you do get beat up, if you stand up for yourself and give it all you have, you did all you could. Also if you let people know that you wont be pushed around and that your going to stand up and fight for yourself no matter what the out come people will respect that and I can almost guarantee people stop humilitaing you. Bullies and such like to pick on people that they know wont stand up for themselves because they know there will be no consequences. If you show them that they'll get a few in the face every time they screw around they'll move on to another guy that wont stand up for himself. Your pride is all you have man, and even though you dont want to go picking fights you have to stand up for yourself and dont take shit from nobody man!

**Jeremy Minton** · April 29th, 2007, 04:25 AM

I agree with what copen said about the standing up for yourself.
Bullies only do go after the weak... because they themseleves are weak, I use to be one. And I only took on people I knew were afraid and did pretty much nothing, simple enough...

But what is all of this chat about people jumping in? I live in Louisiana, and I've seen a few people jump in on fights, but it doesn't happen often. Usually if people do jump in, some other people will break it all up so it doesn't get out of hand.

Every fight I have been in has been 1 on 1. We make it clear that no1 is to jump in, because both sides usually have friends, and we try to keep it all civilized. No one is going to jump in as long as people are with you or with them, no one really wants to get hit.

I have had to use a swift knee to the nads once, dude was gunna kick my ass, and I knew it. Did it, and I went about my business. Friends were like wtf? But I said hey, I'm not about to get my ass kicked... sorry.

And about the whole regretting thing, you do regret what you do to people later down the road. You realize that it was just stupid, and how much of a dick you were, and how you effected the lives of others greatly... Every time I run into someone I messed with I apologize to them and make it up to them. Usually invite them to hang out with me sometime and stuff. One kid did say I made his life really hell in school and he was thinking about killing himself. When I heard that, I nearlly shut down... it is a horrible thing to do, and really got to me... I am glad I have turned my life around.

flooru2 · August 14th, 2007, 06:13 PM

only had a few street fights usually ends with police involvement but as a rule these days the no honor fighting is usual so usually expect them 2 throw things use anything they can n hurt you but if u realy need to fight never go by yourself most people cannot win a fight without there freinds and for some reason they think they are big because they can'ot use the own skill/ technique's so they get the freinds the last fight i had i new he had friends with him so i took some of mine 2 make sure it wasn't 3 on 1 it ended in a few seconds i upper cut him somehow chipped his tooth he fell on the floor and shouted i quote " what did you do that for" but i had no option his running speed was far faster than mine

pumpingiron · August 16th, 2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheManWhoCan

My suggestion is to take up boxing before anything else. It will give you a variety of different ways to take somebody out and it is really straight forward. You'll learn not to be afraid to get hit, and learn some real solid defense that is tried and tested.

I think starting with boxing would be a huge mistake: in a street fight without gloves, it is very easy to break or otherwise damage your hands if you rely on punches alone. As far as standup concerns, Muay Thai is definitely better for him to start out with. I would do wrestling or Judo before Muay Thai though, all the best trainers point out that it's easier to teacher a wrestler to punch and kick than vice versa. First learn enough about takedowns/throws to defend them, then learn some Muay Thai.

**TheManWhoCan** · August 21st, 2007, 02:58 AM

Well it's better to take a chance on breaking your hands on his face, then grapple somebody to the ground, just to have their friends beat on you while you're down there. I know some people say that that never happens, but it's still a possibility. I've seen it happen, and I would depend on my friends to get me up and out of a fight if I was getting pummeled. Muay Thai is a good suggestion, so many different attacks. And if you've got solid low roundhouses, 3 or 4 or those on the thigh saps the guys will to fight you. Those things hurt like hell.

pumpingiron · August 21st, 2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheManWhoCan

Well it's better to take a chance on breaking your hands on his face, then grapple somebody to the ground, just to have their friends beat on you while you're down there. I know some people say that that never happens, but it's still a possibility. I've seen it happen, and I would depend on my friends to get me up and out of a fight if I was getting pummeled. Muay Thai is a good suggestion, so many different attacks. And if you've got solid low roundhouses, 3 or 4 or those on the thigh saps the guys will to fight you. Those things hurt like hell.

I don't claim that wrestling and Judo are better for streetfighting than standup, but you need to know them AT LEAST to have takedown defense. Plenty of streetfights end up on the ground, and if you're taking Muay Thai *and* you have some wrestling skills then you can dictate whether the fight is standing or on the ground.

There are plenty of other practical reasons to take Judo or another grappling art for streetfighting too: I've known plenty of BJJ guys who caught someone in a *STANDING* submission, which would allow you to snap a guys arm in a matter of seconds and move on to other opponents. Also, grapplers are great at getting back to their feet safely, even when their opponent is standing there ready to reign down punches and kicks, which is a huge skill to have in a street fight

I'll also stand by my statement that boxing is not the best for street fights, there's just too much risk of injuring your hands. Better to stand and throw a lot of elbows, knees, low kicks, and perhaps a few punches.