Who would win? Lesnar or Fedor?

**A1food4U** · August 5th, 2009, 11:47 AM

Love the debate, so if Fedor has signed with strikeforce and no match is emminent, who would be Lesnars next legitamate challenge.... certainly not Kimbo..... not many truely dominant heavies out there????

**wildstang** · August 5th, 2009, 12:38 PM

dfefinitely not kimbo! lesnar would destroy him 2 easily. kimbo does good on youtube or in the hood but dosent possess what he needs 2 keep up with the big boys.

**A1food4U** · August 5th, 2009, 01:09 PM

anybody seen Bader or Valasquez, The UFC website says they are both heavy ( 235+ )and are undefeated???

**ItalianStallion** · August 5th, 2009, 04:48 PM

Kimbo will not be the next test for Lesnar...no way..i am a kimbo fan fyi( i would love to c Kimbo v Lesnar..its one of the fights I would like to c happen)
for one he is a contestant on the Ultimate Fighter airing in September..if he wins the show which has its finale on Dec 7th he gains a contract with the UFc for 3 fights totaling $100, 000....
then he will be fed to sum mid tier fighters and then if and only if he wins all 3 he should get a shot at title vs whoever it may be at the the time...i dont expect that to happen until maybe earliest July of 2010...that bein said the UFC will hand Lesnar the guy who is regarded as the Number 1 contender..which at this point I believe is that guy Cain Velasquez who just beat Kongo...next after that could be winner of Nog/Couture..and if Mir puts in 2 or 3 good performances might add his name to the mix if others lose...for now i have it as Lesnar v Velasquez....Lesnar V Couture II...than maybe a Lesnar vs sum random competitor next year..that of course if Lesnar continues his dominance in which i think he will....
the hw division is stacked wit a lot of talent...wit sum big names...but Lesnar i think can beat everyone in the division hands down...i think Fedor is the only man that I will not go against if he fights Lesnar...LEsnar vs nebody i would pick Lesnar...Fedor v Lesnar id go wit Fedor...tho ne fighter could get lucky and beat lesnar wit a good shot on ne given day... when u get in the ring nething can happen, thats why u fight...BUT this is how i feel given the info on paper
Heavyweights to look out for in the next months: these guys could all be #1contenders wit sum wins under there belt
Shane Carwin
Cro Cop
Couture
Junior Dos Santos
Gabriel Gonzaga
Tim Hague
Kongo
Mir
and Nog.....

**wildstang** · August 5th, 2009, 05:05 PM

in regards 2 it-stallions man kimbo. i will give the man his credit do. i personally like him because hes an ordinary underdog joe smoe who has risen to some fame from his knuckles on the net via cam,corder. now say he trains like a pro and pours some blood sweat and tears into his training sure he would stand a chance to an extent, but with that said lesnar is 1 of those few who have been gifted with raw talent and has a very athletic background. he's paid his dues. reason he's risen so fast i will acredit it 2 WWE and his short lived NFL stint. he's just so well recognized dana white wouldve been a fool to overlook him.

**BlackMagicPanther** · August 5th, 2009, 07:20 PM

At UFC 104 Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez are in what amounts to a Number 1 contenders match as Dana has already said that whoever wins will get the next shot at Brock.

Carwin poses the biggest threat to Lesnar as of now. He has a very good wrestling pedigree to possibly avoid Brock's takedowns. He also has big knockout power. The short right that he knocked out Gabriel Gonzaga with was as impressive a KO as I have seen.

**BlackMagicPanther** · August 5th, 2009, 07:39 PM

Stallion, all I can do in regards to Frank Mir is post the pics:

This is Frank Mir at the weigh ins for UFC 48 where he beat Tim Sylvia for the title. This was 3 or 4 months before his motorcycle accident:

This is Frank Mir at the weigh ins for UFC 100 where he lost to Brock Lesnar:

Which one looks like the Frank Mir who is on the top of his game? There is a reason that Joe Rogan told Frank at the end of his loss to Lesnar that he hopes Frank continues to take his training as seriously as he has recently. Frank has finally put his stellar Jiu jitsu game together with some striking and actual physical fitness.

**ItalianStallion** · August 6th, 2009, 03:14 AM

ur right, he looks in better shape, BUT mentally i think he was better before he got into accident...now he is lookin to get back to where he was rather than excel past what he was...in any count i think MIr is a fierce competitor and could take Lesnar down in a rubber match later on in time

**wildstang** · August 17th, 2009, 09:31 PM

just re-seen some footage of the lesnar mir fight couple nights ago on t.v. mir was absolutley positively pure domination by lesnar in the rematch. he had no real offense or defense 4 lesnar. lesnar was like a grizzly bear eating food off a carcass! no matter how he tried to get away lesnar was just too damn powerfull to get away from. pure strength kept him down!

**helpmespock** · August 18th, 2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wildstang

in regards 2 it-stallions man kimbo. i will give the man his credit do. i personally like him because hes an ordinary underdog joe smoe who has risen to some fame from his knuckles on the net via cam,corder. now say he trains like a pro and pours some blood sweat and tears into his training sure he would stand a chance to an extent, but with that said lesnar is 1 of those few who have been gifted with raw talent and has a very athletic background. he's paid his dues. reason he's risen so fast i will acredit it 2 WWE and his short lived NFL stint. he's just so well recognized dana white wouldve been a fool to overlook him.

actually Kimbo has been training his ass of, these past two years, and he got knocked out by an alternate stiff....don't think he has a chance.
I disagree that the HW division is "stacked" w talent. I think its about the weakest division in the ufc, which is why Brock has no real competition.

**wildstang** · August 18th, 2009, 12:08 PM

from the stats ive seen of these other fighters coming from other orginizations with near undefeated win streaks held high in expectations they were k.o.'d by the talent in the UFC could be just bad karma. yes i believe the heavyweight division is not as good as it could be though arlovski, silvia, and others are good and very talented but dont possess the kind of power lesnar has. i know the time will come eventually lesnar will be beat, more then likely by tko or ko because no one has an iron jaw and all it takes is a few well placed shots to anyones jaw to stop them.

**BlackMagicPanther** · August 22nd, 2009, 07:38 AM

Got an update, the UFC scrapped the Cain Carwin fight for UFC 104. They have announced that Lesnar will be taking on Carwin at UFC 106.

JustAbout · August 22nd, 2009, 07:01 PM

BlackMagicPanther,

I was reading about that last night. Who's you're pick. I don't know anything about Carwin to make a judgement call. All I know is he's 11-0, and upset about how Lesnar treated the fans at his last fight.

JustAbout

**torofuerte** · August 22nd, 2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wildstang

just re-seen some footage of the lesnar mir fight couple nights ago on t.v. mir was absolutley positively pure domination by lesnar in the rematch. he had no real offense or defense 4 lesnar. lesnar was like a grizzly bear eating food off a carcass! no matter how he tried to get away lesnar was just too damn powerfull to get away from. pure strength kept him down!

It was pure domination as you said. But I actually think Mir did a major f* up in the way he approached the fight. He attempted no escapes whatsoever when Lesnar was on top of him. I think (and I might be wrong) that Mir tried to play a jiu jitsu game, thinking he could weather the hammer fist storm while looking for a leg lock.

Bad juju. He should have tried to keep it standing and get back to his feet asap. The knee he landed on Lesnar (and from which was taken down) actually rocked Lesnar. Lesnar was on top of Mir for more than a full minute IIRC clearing the cobwebs. That time was the time where Mir should have (and could have) successfully fight his way out and go up to his feet.

But instead he went "hmmm, let me see what kind of submission I can pull out of my ass here". A few well placed punches will turn a jits black belt into a brown belt... and a few more into a purple belt... all the way down to fetal-position-fu.

I think Mir had the skills to win, or at the very least go the distance. But his game plan against someone like Lesnar (big, ugly, with uber-wrestling skillzz), that was really bad choice IMO.

**helpmespock** · August 23rd, 2009, 12:08 AM

I'm not sure if he was looking for a ground sub, or was just unable to get out of Lesnars smothering position. I agree he should have goten up, just not sure he could have.

**wildstang** · August 23rd, 2009, 12:39 AM

it looked as if rewatching footage again that mir tried on several attempts 2 get it back up in the standing position but lesnar slowed the pace 2 a snails pace and concentrated on keeping him down and succeeded in keeping him down playing his ground and club game.
mir no doubt is a very talented fighter but needs 2 go back and try and figure a diff game plan. this time out was very inneffective.

**helpmespock** · August 23rd, 2009, 05:38 AM

I think he believed he could submit him from the guard. I don't think he was prepared for Lesnars ground control skills. He could possibly beat Lesnar, but he would have to improve his take down defense. The knee he threw rocked Lesnar, if he could have put it together with a few other quick strikes at any point in the match, he would have had a chance. Carwin Lesnar should be interesting.

**BlackMagicPanther** · August 23rd, 2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAbout

BlackMagicPanther,

I was reading about that last night. Who's you're pick. I don't know anything about Carwin to make a judgement call. All I know is he's 11-0, and upset about how Lesnar treated the fans at his last fight.

JustAbout

JA, Carwin is essentially a better striker than Lesnar, but the smaller weaker version of Brock in everything else. His wrestling may or may not be a plus against Lesnar, cuz he should have the take down defense to stuff Lesnar, but he won't be able to do much else. There is a light years difference between the level of competition in Div. 1A (Brock) over Div. 2A (Carwin), so that should be an interesting matchup. As I stated in one of my previous posts Carwin has big knockout power in his right hand, so he may be able to coldcock Lesnar to end the fight.