Rafael Palmeiro

**l00k** · May 8th, 2006, 06:36 AM

Old news, but I found some of these pictures this morning and thought I would create a thread.

"I have Never Used Steroids, Period"

**l00k** · May 8th, 2006, 06:42 AM

**Gman1524** · May 8th, 2006, 06:12 PM

Cheater.
Liar.

Skorpius · May 8th, 2006, 06:30 PM

You know, these are 2 more reasons why I haven't gone back to baseball. Bonds is just the biggest a__wipe this side of TO and Raffie is just a dumbass.

**l00k** · May 9th, 2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Skorpius

You know, these are 2 more reasons why I haven't gone back to baseball. Bonds is just the biggest a__wipe this side of TO and Raffie is just a dumbass.

The thing I don't get about Bonds is everybody had to have known he was on something. How could you have not known? He's probably going to break Babe Ruth's homerun total and I don't think I am going to care.

**Brock Samson** · May 10th, 2006, 12:31 AM

Sorry he had to do it while he was in Baltimore

**chickwang** · May 10th, 2006, 12:59 AM

I could care less if they take steroids. Watching Bonds hit a home run is unbelievable.

**mavgrad99** · May 10th, 2006, 02:20 AM

The more and more I think about it, the more and more I realize that Jose Canseco maybe isnt such a big idiot afterall... maybe the book should be NON Fiction eh? Where's sammy sosa these day's anyway?

**Milo** · May 15th, 2006, 04:37 PM

I really don't care that any baseball player takes steroids. Yes, Bonds is bigger than he was 10 years ago, but even with 'roids, he still had to work his a$$ off to to get stronger and be a better hitter. All the 'roids in the world aren't going to give you a better swing.

I think the ones who bitch the most are the die-hard baseball purists, of which I am not. Hasn't pro baseball always been plagued with cheaters? A few years ago it was the ball that was juiced, now everyone is surprised that the players are??? Bah!

**l00k** · May 15th, 2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Milo

Yes, Bonds is bigger than he was 10 years ago, but even with 'roids, he still had to work his a$$ off to to get stronger and be a better hitter. All the 'roids in the world aren't going to give you a better swing.

I disagree completely. Baseball is balanced by such an equal playing field that even the slightest competitive advantage would result in skewed stats. He's practically tripled his body size since he started playing. Look at this image I made:

Now if you made a case that it takes talent to draw a walk and not swing at certain pitches, then you'd have a point. I would agree. Bonds has clearly been cheating for many years now and he's tarnishing the game.

Yes there are cheaters, but you don't see cheaters breaking major records in the game. Ones that several honest players established by being credible players.

**PowerHouse** · May 16th, 2006, 12:04 PM

Has Bonds ever tested positive for steriod abuse? From my knowledge he hasn't, and if that is the case knowone has the right to accuse him of anything. I dont care how much you THINK you know all im concerned with is what you can prove.

Do I THINK he has taken steriods.... yes, but im not going to say that as if its fact.

mkruzel88 · May 16th, 2006, 12:28 PM

He has!

**aircru** · May 16th, 2006, 12:33 PM

I'm going to stay away from the steriods and my own feelings....Bonds is just a turd anyways....I always hate to see records broken (regardless of the sport) by someone who does not care about the fans or give anything back to the game that has given them so much

**PowerHouse** · May 16th, 2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mkruzel88

He has!

Im not saying your word isn't enough, but I need proof.

Bonds is a great baseball player regardless if he has used steriods or not. I can care less if he breaks Ruths record, I dont even know how close he is because I could give a shit less about it he could have already passed Ruths record for all I know.

Why does anybody care that he is going to pass Ruths record? I dont understand why people celebrate someone who is 2nd best. If anything people should be getting pissed about how he is getting closer to Hank Aarons record.

**Brock Samson** · May 16th, 2006, 11:06 PM

In the words of my favorite sailor.... "Oh me garscht"

fsdfsfaaf · May 16th, 2006, 11:38 PM

hello

**l00k** · May 17th, 2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fsdfsfaaf

hello

Goodbye.

**jlf1965** · May 17th, 2006, 08:29 PM

Bonds is a flat out asshole and I have never liked him, but the fact of the matter is he has never tested positive and he has been tested, so until there is proof we can only guess, although I think the guesses are accurate myself. But even before Bonds got that big he may not have been the best HR hitter ever but he was the best all around player to ever play if you go by his stats. Lets not forget he is a lifetime .299 hitter who also has 506 SB to go with the 713 HR he has hit. I don't like him but I have to give him his due as a talented baseball player.

**PowerHouse** · May 17th, 2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jlf1965

Bonds is a flat out asshole and I have never liked him, but the fact of the matter is he has never tested positive and he has been tested, so until there is proof we can only guess, although I think the guesses are accurate myself. But even before Bonds got that big he may not have been the best HR hitter ever but he was the best all around player to ever play if you go by his stats. Lets not forget he is a lifetime .299 hitter who also has 506 SB to go with the 713 HR he has hit. I don't like him but I have to give him his due as a talented baseball player.

Couldn't agree more. I am not a huge baseball fan myself so I dont know... but why does everyone say Bonds is an "asshole". Is he extremly cocky? Or is he just a complete tool?

**cracken** · May 18th, 2006, 06:48 AM

I had posted this in the Baseball thread a few days ago, food for thought:

Any thoughts on Mr Bonds?

SAN FRANCISCO – Since Barry Bonds is sure to take a public flogging for almost hitting into a double play when he failed to run out a pop-up, I will refrain from ripping him for the act itself. Surely Bonds knows what he did was wrong, much like the 3-year-old who chucks silverware across the dinner table.
Difference is, children have parents who dole out punishment and make the kid apologize and, hopefully, learn from the mistake. Barry Bonds, the biggest child in baseball, doesn't seem to care, and he has done such a magnificent job of shielding himself from everybody except the yes-men and stooges in his employ, he no longer understands the meaning of accountability.
To his teammates.
To his manager.
To his fans.
To baseball.
To himself.
Surely all of Bonds' slights are borne from a self-centeredness that seems to have been rubbed with a dab of the Cream. Not that Bonds ever has been a great teammate or an easy player to manage or a peach to the fans who pay to see him or a man the sport can be proud to support.
With this latest mishap, he managed to disrespect himself.
Even the most myopic Bonds devotees will have trouble defending him here. You are taught to run out pop-ups and ground balls for a reason: Fielders are fallible, and in this instance, Jeff Kent, Bonds' former teammate and nemesis, dropped a routine pop.
Bonds, of course, did not realize this because his back was turned. It was the eighth inning, in his third at-bat of the night, and Bonds was facing a journeyman named Joe Beimel. Bonds lifted a fly ball at Kent and took exactly eight steps down the line before pirouetting toward San Francisco's dugout. Not until someone yelled at Bonds did he start running again, and Los Angeles shortstop Rafael Furcal barely missed turning a double play after he'd received the throw from Kent for a force out.
On the field, Bonds was seen asking about the infield-fly rule. Boy, that's fresh. A ballplayer in his 21st year who doesn't know the infield-fly rule.
No, this was simply another red herring in a long line of them. Blame the media. Blame racial discrimination. Blame ignorance toward the rulebook. Blame, blame, blame until the story has morphed about the issue at hand into another episode of Angry Barry.
We fall for it, all of us. Because we're disaffected in that way, too. Shucking responsibility would make things so much easier. Imagine screwing up a cursory job at work that embarrasses your co-workers and company, then not having to explain it to the boss.
Bonds slogged into the dugout at the end of the inning, the Giants on their way to an ugly 6-1 loss, and didn't say anything to Giants manager Felipe Alou.
"I've got to talk with him," Alou said.
Alou threw out the idea that Bonds might himself address the bungle.
"No," Bonds said, "I'm not talking."
Someone asked whether he'd play Saturday.
"Still ain't talking," he said.
That is Bonds' prerogative. If he doesn't mind watching all of the attention on him funneled to teammates tired of talking about Barry, Barry, Barry, and to a manager so weary of the chase for Bonds' 714th home run that he regularly plays him in the ninth inning of blowouts, bully for him.
It simply reinforces Bonds' disconnect. When you're hitless in your last nine at-bats, you don't dog the 10th, even if it is a pop-up. When you're batting .231, slugging .487 and swinging through 90-mph fastballs you used to pop like Pez, you answer why. When you're moving like Abe Simpson in the outfield and can't help on a misjudged fly ball in the gap, you owe a reasonable explanation, at very least, to center fielder Steve Finley, who looked pretty silly without any help.
"We know (Bonds) has a lack of range," Alou said. "It didn't lose the game for us tonight."
That's not the point. The Giants have created the same kind of enabling environment for Bonds that baseball in the late 1980s and particularly the '90s created for steroid users. While there is no outward condoning of the actions, there is a passive acceptance. Barry being Barry, goes the lame excuse.
All of this happened the night the Giants celebrated Willie Mays' 75th birthday. Before the game, they presented Mays with a cake and commemorated his career and released colorful balloons. Bonds, his godson, admired the ceremony from the dugout before he went out and added another tick mark to the list of reasons fans loathe him.
In a way, it was sad to see this 41-year-old man, beaten down by injuries and pressure and who knows what else, hobbling through a nine-inning game. Because it was obvious that when the game ended, Bonds wasn't going to own up to any mistakes, miscues or missteps.
He had thrown his forks and knives, and he would go unpunished again.
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