Personal Beliefs on Sex

Jesus_Rules · October 1st, 2007, 05:44 PM

I sure hope this thread is ok to post!
I just wanted to share, in a nutshell, what my beliefs on sexuality are based on my Seventh Day Adventist Christian beliefs.
Ok, here they are real quick:
1. Sex is only to be had in marriage (see Hebrews 13:4)
2. Sex is only to be had between one man and one woman (in marriage, too; see number one)
3. Sex outside marriage (fornication) is a sin (see number one again)
4. Homosexuality is a sin (see Leviticus 18:22); BUT, before any straight person, Christian or otherwise, hates/hatefully condemns a homosexual, they need to remember that their own lusts (such as lusting for a woman) is a sin (see Matthew 5:27-28), their lewd activites (which include many things) are sins (see Galatians 5:19) and so on
5. Pornography is a sin (I don't think I have to even explain why, but if you guys want me to, I will

)

Anyways, thats it in a nutshell. Please reply if you want to talk about these issues.

Oh, and one more thing. Ok, I am not trying to fight, but I listed lewdness as a sin based on my findings in the Bible (see Galatians 5:19). I believe lewdness to include posing in skimpy clothing (a type of "modeling" if you can call it that) and posing nude in magazines like "Playboy" for example. I am saying this because, for a record, I have a personal problem with the "Fitness Babes" section of this site. I don't believe women should "model" like that, and neither should men for that matter (I don't mean posing for a fitness competition like Miss Universe, but posing in skimpy swimsuits and such in magazines, etc).
So, that's that.

Well, God bless!
-C.J.

**mooshue** · October 1st, 2007, 06:04 PM

posing is posing, whether for universe, playboy, etc..
Much like radio and television, i like to say if you don't like it, don't watch /listen to it. Why should someone else's belief's taint the pleasure i can have in my own beliefs.
Just my opinon.
Whats with all the religion posts today

Jesus_Rules · October 1st, 2007, 06:10 PM

I disagree big time on the posing. There is a world of difference. As for "pleasure", I have pleasure in doing God's will, which includes keeping simple commands he wants me to live by. It shows my respect and love for what Jesus has done for me.

Commandment keeping is all about love, and God made commandments because He loves me, and commandments proves He does.
Anyway, what other religous posts are you speaking of that have been posted?

**mooshue** · October 1st, 2007, 06:21 PM

but bodybuilders, men and women, both pose in tiny bikini type outfits, both for competition, photo shoots for ad's, etc.. women/men models who post in thier bikini's are doing the exact same thing. Both are an appreciation of the body. Both get paid. Both are admired. Both are doing the exact same thing. So if 1 guy is doing it because he claims god said he can and the other is doing it to support his family, which is wrong exactly?
As for the sex part, ive had sex, lots of sex with lots of people and im glad i have. If god made us with penis's and vagina's to house them, and the vagina is willing to do it safely, i say go for it. Dont let others tell you what is or should be enjoyable. or youll end up an unhappy unexperienced old man wishing youd have done differently.

Jesus_Rules · October 1st, 2007, 06:47 PM

With all due respect, I will follow God's command for me to have one woman (wife) and enjoy sex for the purpose He created it for (a loving husband and wife). To me, sex with many people for no purpose other than temporary pleasure is what leads to a sad old man who wishes he would have done things differently.
And the posing thing: the difference between competition (Mr/Ms Universe, for example) and posing in a magazine like "Playboy/Playgirl" is that the Mr/Ms Universe is not about sexuality or lewdness or anything of the sort. It's a bodybuilding competition that's about bodybuilding. Posing like we see in the "fitness babes" thing is posing for the sole purpose of sexual arousal. I don't buy the "appreciating a woman's body" garbage for a second. It's just about sexuality.
Again, not fighting, Mooshue (or anyone else, for that matter)! Believe me, I have to fight against the temptation to go into the fitness babes section everytime I visit this website. I choose to follow God's commands for my life, however. Like I said in an earlier post, it's all about love. You don't really get an appreciation for God's law until you love Jesus and what He has done for you.

"We love Him because He first loved us". 1 John 4:19

**Bocgam** · October 1st, 2007, 07:04 PM

The problem with using faith as your justification is that you're unable to make any criticisms against other positions provided they too are grounded in faith.

There need to be free standing reasons why all of those principles you listed are reasonable for guiding your life. If there aren't, I can simply disagree and claim that my faith says otherwise. Since you're not using reason as a standard, there is no arbitrator for deciding which is more valid.

**mooshue** · October 1st, 2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bocgam

The problem with using faith as your justification is that you're unable to make any criticisms against other positions provided they too are grounded in faith.

There need to be free standing reasons why all of those principles you listed are reasonable for guiding your life. If there aren't, I can simply disagree and claim that my faith says otherwise. Since you're not using reason as a standard, there is no arbitrator for deciding which is more valid.

This is the most logical response i have ever read. I gotta stickey this so i can use it later

**mavgrad99** · October 1st, 2007, 07:37 PM

personally I enjoy the "fitness babes" section of this site and I can GUARANTEE that I am more christian than anyone on this board... so personally I dont see anything wrong with it, biblically speaking of course, its not like the "babes" are nude, I find it hard to believe that the statue of david, or venus de milo were not considered "lewd" according to the bible... art is art, you argue with me from here on out and you will be talking to yourself. My beliefs are mine alone, I dont push them on others and start threads such as this just to get a negative response, which in fact, is what you are going to get from most members, not me, I will just ignore you.

**ColdFX** · October 1st, 2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus_Rules

5. Pornography is a sin (I don't think I have to even explain why, but if you guys want me to, I will

-C.J.

I Guess I am going to hell... several times over :O !!!

I think that sex is up to the individuals in question I guess, I am its not anyone eles' business what goes on in their bedroom.
But I do respect your opinion and am glad to see that there still are people with strong values out there.

DarrylC · October 1st, 2007, 07:42 PM

I bet this guy took a good long look at the babes before he condemned us to go to hell.
Buddy, just for looking you're along for the ride. Facts are women are women and men will always look especially if they are nicely built. That is they way we are built--fact.

**raijin1** · October 1st, 2007, 09:59 PM

You don't like that section? Fine.

Don't look in it.

But please leave the people that do enjoy it the hell alone.

Jesus_Rules · October 1st, 2007, 10:36 PM

Geesh, I wasn't trying to get you people mad. I just posted this to try and share some Biblical positions on certain issues, trying to be of some help to others who may have been wondering what the Bible may say on these matters.
Im not angry at anyone, though. Attack me if you will. I stand for Christ, though. And proudly, too.

**Hans_Rachid** · October 1st, 2007, 10:55 PM

Had you been born in a familly that taught you islam instead of christianism, you would be promoting the words of the Koran instead... Which tells me that belief in a religion (any religion) is completely relative and thus arguments based on it do not hold much value in a rational debate.

Also, I think (that's what I do, rather than believing) that you are wrong on every point you brought up.

**wildstang** · October 1st, 2007, 11:37 PM

correct me if im wrong, but i thought E.F. stood for extreme fitness? now a nicely cut woman in a bikini or a dress falls in that category. what is the sin in that?

**Bocgam** · October 2nd, 2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus_Rules

Geesh, I wasn't trying to get you people mad. I just posted this to try and share some Biblical positions on certain issues, trying to be of some help to others who may have been wondering what the Bible may say on these matters.
Im not angry at anyone, though. Attack me if you will. I stand for Christ, though. And proudly, too.

Just don't take Biblical supremacy for granted.

katz7479 · October 2nd, 2007, 01:12 AM

Hey

First and for most what church do you belong to?
Are you a clergymen?
Do you know what you are doing then if you are?

**bigpurp** · October 2nd, 2007, 01:28 AM

My personal feeling is people who are too deep in religion need some type of justification for their pathetic meaningless lives.

If you:

feel the need to blame someone else for the bad things in your life as "it's just meant to be"

Use some figment of your collective imaginations as a reason and guideline to live your life by, because you can't think for yourself enough to make rational, thought out, planned decisions.

I personally think it's sad so many people don't have the inner strength and fortitude to go through life without the security blanket that they think someone else is guiding them.

What is that old saying, laws keep honest people honest. I tend to think religion acts in the same way, though many times people take it way too far to the point of becoming cult like, socially inept, and especially damaging to their children's lives.

Science > imaginary friend.

v4c is that you? or is there another nut trolling the forums?

**Insex** · October 2nd, 2007, 02:07 AM

To the original poster, Jesus_Rules, thank you for starting an interesting thread and we hope you enjoy what we have to offer at our site.

I too share the same beliefs about sex. I am a Christian too, but I do not belong to any particular denomination. Sex is something sacred to me, which is why I am waiting until marriage to experience it. It was a personal choice I made, and no one forced me to make that decision, but me. I would rather share that love with one women who I truly love, rather than heartlessly spend it on many women (and I have had many opportunities).

However, I believe the Fitness Babes section here serves as motivation. Motivation to get in shape, motivation to improve one's own health, motivation from viewing another person's success at attaining physical excellence. For example, gYmgIrL and Italianangel are two female members who have incredible physiques and personalities. Both do modeling and/or competition. I give them advice/suggestions on workouts, diet, and routines; and it's very motivating to me to see the changes in their physiques, the happiness they attain from their success, and everything they accomplish.

It really depends on the attitude of the viewer. Some other viewers may easily get turned on by looking at women in revealing outfits, and channel their energy in a different way. You have your views, other members have their's. It's not really what you're looking at, it's all in how you perceive it. It's almost the same as the story of Adam and Eve. It wasn't sinful for them to look at each other while they were walking through the Garden of Eden naked. It wasn't until Adam and Eve ate from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, that they knew that they were naked. Then it became sinful to look at a naked body lustfully.

Just as the others have stated above, if you don't like to view women in those outfits, then don't go there. No one is forcing you to see those pictures. The same goes for the people who do not like to feel pressured by other people expressing their religious views. If you don't like this thread's topic, don't visit this thread or don't post a comment. No one is forcing you hit Reply, and there isn't an invisible scoreboard keeping track of which side is winning.

**joker13** · October 2nd, 2007, 02:36 AM

Well you just have fun with all your sinless travels my good man. For me I like porn and I like fitness babes. Can a brother get an Amen?

**Carnitas** · October 2nd, 2007, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus_Rules

Geesh, I wasn't trying to get you people mad. I just posted this to try and share some Biblical positions on certain issues, trying to be of some help to others who may have been wondering what the Bible may say on these matters.
Im not angry at anyone, though. Attack me if you will. I stand for Christ, though. And proudly, too.

Well thats what usually happens when people talk religion.