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Old February 2nd, 2009, 06:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just read this article in Fitness First Magazine (tm) and they said that there are Oestrogens in PLASTICS! Like food wrap, drink bottles, things made out of plastic etc (I couldnt think of a third one :P)

anyway, a quick google says there are oestrogens in plastics, but the article was saying that the more of these plastics you ingest, the more fat you store! in your bum and thighs mainly! Causing cottage cheese bum!

That's a bit scary! How do you keep away from plastics? Drink from glass bottles? can this even be true? it sounds a bit far fetched.

Hold on I'll find some links:

"Xeno-oestrogens are chemicals from pesticides or plastics that mimic the effect of oestrogen and are fat-soluble so store themselves in the body"

This is a breast cancer page, but it has some stuff about it

CANCERactive : Oestrogen - The KILLER in Our Midst
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And it's worst when you heat up plastics, so be sure to microwave your leftovers in glass, and not tupperware!
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Plastics........another petroleum bi-product that man(persons) can't live without, but will kill us in the end through ingesting or 'simply' polluting......I'm always amazed at findings like these, because you think back to a time when plastics were invented...and yay, somebody's a mega billionaire......nobody in their naiivity stopped to ask 'what-if?' about any of these old inventions, lol! It amazes me, and then I wonder what are we being naiive about in today's world of new inventions?
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Yes, Bisphenol A:

Bisphenol A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and soya:

Soya-based foods may harm male fertility | Science | The Guardian

and Cell Phone use:

Effect of cell phone usage on semen analysis in me...[Fertil Steril. 2008] - PubMed Result

In a word, it's eugenics and it's in your face

Mercury now found in High-Fructose Corn Syrup (as if the vaccines weren't enough):

Study Finds High-Fructose Corn Syrup Contains Mercury - washingtonpost.com

Search for a documentary by Canada's CBC called The Disappearing Male, goes through the bombardment of our species over the last half a century
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Yes, Bisphenol A:

Bisphenol A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and soya:

Soya-based foods may harm male fertility | Science | The Guardian

and Cell Phone use:

Effect of cell phone usage on semen analysis in me...[Fertil Steril. 2008] - PubMed Result

In a word, it's eugenics and it's in your face

Mercury now found in High-Fructose Corn Syrup (as if the vaccines weren't enough):

Study Finds High-Fructose Corn Syrup Contains Mercury - washingtonpost.com

Search for a documentary by Canada's CBC called The Disappearing Male, goes through the bombardment of our species over the last half a century
My wife and I have researched this as well, and as a result have gotten almost completely away from plastic containers...
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My wife and I have researched this as well, and as a result have gotten almost completely away from plastic containers...
Good, you'll be better off. Have you investigated the eugenics aspect of this?

Here's something for you:

The Disappearing Male: Fact Sheet - Doc Zone | CBC-TV

Factsheet: Male Infertility

There are more than 20 heavily industrialized nations where the birth of baby boys has declined every year for the past 30 years - amounting to 3 million fewer baby boys.

The number of boys born with penis abnormalities and genital defects has increased by 200% in the past two decades.

Boys have a higher incidence of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, learning disabilities, Tourett's syndrome, cerebral palsy and dyslexia.

Boys are four times as likely to be autistic.

The average sperm count of a North American college student today is less than half of what it was 50 years ago.

The quality of sperm is declining. Eighty-five per cent of the sperm produced by a healthy male is DNA-damaged.

Damaged sperm have been linked to a 300% increase in testicular cancer - a form of cancer that affects young men in their 20s and 30s.

The chemical industry has developed more than 90,000 man-made chemicals in the last sixty years. Eighty-five percent of them have never undergone testing for their impact on the human body.

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Though it's rather on the innocuous side, this is interesting as well:

Future Shock (1970) by Alvin Toffler, excerpt:

Years ago, Dr. Hans Selye, a pioneer investigator of the body's adaptive responses, reported that "animals in which intense and prolonged stress is produced by any means suffer from sexual derangements ... Clinical studies have confirmed the fact that people exposed to stress react very much like experimental animals in all these respects. In women the monthly
cycles become irregular or stop altogether, and during lactation milk secretion may become insufficient for the baby. In men both the sexual urge and sperm-cell formation are diminished."

Since then population experts and ecologists have compiled impressive evidence that heavily stressed populations of rats, deer—and people—show lower fertility levels than less stressed control groups. Crowding, for example, a condition that involves a constant high level of interpersonal interaction and compels the individual to make extremely frequent
adaptive reactions has been shown, at least in animals, to enlarge the adrenals and cause a noticeable drop in fertility.

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Here's where we should start to be worried and wonder who knew about the effects of these chemicals and when, some people certainly knew in advance:

The Next Million Years by Charles Galton Darwin (1953), excerpt:

Another type of discovery may be connected with hormones, those internal chemical secretions which so largely regulate the operations of the human body. The artificial use of hormones has already been shown to have profound effects on the behaviour of animals, and it seems quite possible that hormones, or perhaps drugs, might have similar effects on man. For example, there might be a drug, which, without other harmful effects, removed the urgency of sexual desire, and so reproduced in humanity the status of workers in a beehive.

Looking a little deeper there is the possibility of substantially altering the intellectual and moral natures of individuals by some sort of hormonal injections; already great effects have been produced in animals. Finally, as the most curious speculation of all, it is not quite impossible that it may one day be feasible to select in advance the sex of each child that is to be born. Whether the decision is made by the parents, or by their rulers, this suggests that probability of a great unbalance in the populations of the world.

It is clear from all this that the world policy would need to be supported by international sanctions, and the only ultimate sanction must be war. Present methods of warfare would not be nearly murderous enough to reduce populations seriously, and even so they would take a nearly equal toll of victims from the unoffending nations. So after the war the question would arise of how to reduce the excess population of the offending nation. It is not possible to be humane in this, but the most humane method would seem to be infanticide together with the sterilization of a fraction of the adult population. Such sterilization could now be done without the brutal methods practised in the past, but it would certainly be vehemently resisted."

Another possible, though rather remoter, discovery suggests the most curious consequences; this is the control of the relative numbers of the two sexes. It is known that the sex of a child is carried by the sperm, not the ovum, and it is at least imaginable that some method could be found for sorting out those of the sperm cells which carry the male of the female character. It would thus become possible to regulate how many men or women there should be in a population. If such a practice could be developed it is sure that for a time there would be a great unabalance in populations.

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globeandmail.com: Environment

Humanity at Risk: Are the Males Going First?
by Martin Mittelstaedt Globe and Mail September 20, 2008

Something is happening to today's boys and men: Fewer are being born compared with girls, they're having more trouble in school, virility and fertility are down and testicular cancer rates are up. Now, scientists say these 'fragile males' may be more vulnerable than females to pollutants, affecting their development as early as the womb. If so, writes Martin Mittelstaedt, it could be a bigger threat to our future than global warming

The first clue was how difficult it was becoming to find enough young boys to cobble together a baseball team.

Then, women in prenatal groups started remarking on how everyone in their groups was having girls.

Jim Brophy remembers those casual observations with vivid clarity, and how they eventually led to one of the most puzzling scientific findings in Canada - the lopsided tally of girls compared with boys being born in the Aamjiwnaang First Nation, a community nearly surrounded by a complex of petrochemical plants.

Mr. Brophy, who runs the occupational-health centre of nearby Sarnia, Ont., was holding discussions five years ago with residents worried over the discovery of elevated levels of mercury and lead in soil on the reserve. Out of the blue, someone asked if anyone else had noticed anything odd going on - like more girls being born than boys.

"It was almost like somebody had told the family secret," Mr. Brophy recalls.

The impression was quickly backed up by a check of band records: In some years, nearly two girls were being born for every boy - a major anomaly given that the normal boy-girl sex ratio is 106 to 100.

The Sarnia area has been prone to many pollution-related woes, but the implications here seem to be arising all over the world: Males may be the more fragile sex when it comes to exposure to modern chemicals, from the embryonic stage on.

The recent sci-fi thriller Children of Men imagined a world population doomed to extinction when, over the coming years, every last human being on Earth becomes infertile. Now, some scientists are painting a similarly frightening picture of a widespread threat to male birth rates and later virility and fertility; what's more, they believe serious damage to men and boys is already occurring.

Researchers tracking childhood behavioural disorders, sperm counts, testicular cancer and even the shrinking size of male gonads are convinced that something is amiss.

The University of Pittsburgh's Devra Davis, in a study issued last year, found that the U.S. and Japan combined had a staggering tally of 262,000 "missing boys" from 1970 to about 2000 because of a decline in the sex ratio at birth. Although it could be a statistical anomaly, she says the figure is "very worrisome."

Dr. Davis, director of the Centre for Environmental Oncology at the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute, points out another disturbing trend - the rise in what scientists have dubbed testicular dysgenesis syndrome, a catch-all phrase for a raft of male reproductive-system ailments.

Among them is hypospadias, a disfiguring penis abnormality in babies where the urinary opening is on the underside rather than its normal position on the tip. The condition is not new, but boys today are far more likely than their fathers to be born with it. The incidence, adjusted for population size, is up about 60 per cent since the mid-1970s in Canada. Other countries have also experienced increases.

The incidence rate of testicular cancer in young Canadian men aged 20 to 44, for reasons unknown, has risen 54 per cent from 1983 to 2005, according to figures compiled by Cancer Care Ontario.

And levels of testosterone - the hormone that choreographs male development from libido to muscle mass - have inexplicably declined in U.S. men over the past two decades by nearly 20 per cent.

A recent study found that women in the San Francisco area during the 1960s who had higher levels of PCBs gave birth to a third fewer boys than women with low amounts of the chemical, suggesting in utero exposures to the now-banned toxin were able to cull males.

Oddities among males are also occurring in the animal kingdom. Studies in the laboratory and in the wild show that man-made contaminants often attack males of different species with greater ferocity.

Researchers at the University of Florida found that about 35 per cent of male toads from heavily farmed areas of the state exhibited intersex (or hermaphrobitic) attributes: Males showed female coloration and ovarian tissue growing near their testes. Compared with toads in suburban areas, the farmland males also had lower levels of testosterone, more on par with females, suggesting that something related to agricultural practices was feminizing the male amphibians.

For Dr. Davis, there are just too many peculiar things happening to be mere coincidence. "These things theoretically have a common etiology," she says. "Something is tweaking what we can think of as boy-making cells."

HORMONAL HAVOC

A theory rapidly gaining currency is that man-made substances are upsetting the intricate working of hormones - the chemical messengers that even in mere parts per trillion are able to control key aspects of sexual and mental development.

During fetal development, all humans begin life as female, with some assuming male characteristics only after prodding from hormones. If hormones aren't at precisely the right levels in the womb, something in that process might go awry.

University of Florida zoologist Theo Colborn is often heralded as a modern-day version of environmental prophet Rachel Carson. In 1996, she co-wrote Our Stolen Future, which first raised the possibility that synthetic chemicals may interfere with normal hormone functioning. More recently, she has begun giving lectures on "the Male Predicament."

"I definitely feel that the males are really suffering more," says Dr. Colborn, who is also president of the Colorado-based Endocrine Disruption Exchange.

Among her biggest fears is that some chemicals are able to harm brain development, with greater impacts on males than females. She is worried that this attack on male thinking may pose an even greater threat to society than global warming.

She backs up that astonishing claim in part with the observation that two to four times more boys than girls are afflicted by the modern scourge of attention-deficit and hyperactivity disorders. She also contends that chemical exposures could explain why female enrolment at U.S. and Canadian universities is outstripping male, currently at 60 to 40 per cent. (In the U.S., colleges such as Lake Erie in Ohio are establishing new football teams just to lure more males onto their campuses.)

The most insidious of the hormonally active chemicals may be the ones that mimic the powerful female hormone, estrogen. Compounds as diverse as pesticides, plastics, mercury and uranium are able to fool cells into thinking that they are dealing with estrogen rather than a artificial imposter.

"You don't have to be a PhD biologist or doctor to know that pouring estrogen into a male is not a good idea," says Frederick vom Saal, a U.S. biologist who has done pioneering research into the harmful effects of bisphenol A, which is used in polycarbonate plastics. In April, Health Canada proposed adding it to the country's toxic-substances list.

Dr. vom Saal, a professor at the University of Missouri, fears that male babies are facing "a perfect storm" from a variety of synthetic chemicals that simultaneously boost their estrogen exposure while cutting levels of testosterone and thyroid hormones.

He says the phthalates added to many plastics inhibit testosterone production (and can also, according to some researchers, be associated with irregular genital development, although the industry denies it). Meanwhile, brominated flame retardants (routinely used in products ranging from television sets to mattress foams) may block the thyroid hormone, which is crucial for proper development of both the testes and the brain.

Dr. vom Saal says this mishmash of synthetic hormones - leading to too much estrogen and too little testosterone and thyroid hormone - is making "a mess of sexual development in males."

DOWN ON THE FARM

Shanna Swan, a professor at the University of Rochester, has conducted research on a related topic - the sperm of healthy, seemingly normal young U.S men - and got strange results.

Her research group took semen samples from more than 500 men in New York City, Los Angeles, Columbia, Mo., and Minneapolis who were attending prenatal clinics with their partners - a good indication that the men didn't have fertility problems.

Yet the men in Columbia averaged only 58.7 million sperm per millilitre of semen, while New York City men produced an average of 102.9 million per millilitre; the Minneapolis men averaged 98.6 million and the Los Angelenos, 80.8.

Dr. Swan's research team then tried to take into account factors that might cause different sperm counts, such as age, race and smoking. Even so, they were unable to explain why men in Columbia had about half the sperm of men in New York and far less than those in Minneapolis.

The only explanation that makes sense to Dr. Swan is that Columbia is more of a farming area, suggesting that pesticides are to blame.

"These are very big differences and I believe they're environmental. ... We don't have any other explanation," she says.

Researchers are also investigating a widespread drop in testosterone levels. Thomas Travison at the Massachusetts-based New England Research Institutes is the co-author of a 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism that tracked a group of U.S. men from the late 1980s to 2004.

The researchers found that men in 1987 had significantly more testosterone than men of the same age in 2004. Over a decade and a half, the decline worked out to a dramatic 17 per cent - "certainly something to consider and be worried about, particularly if it is related to fertility," Dr. Travison says.

Obesity may be a factor - extra fat is known to cut testosterone levels, and more people have become fatter since the 1980s - but he adds that the trend could also be related to exposures to hormonally active chemicals that may affect metabolism.

"Some of these endocrine disruptors in the environment could have detrimental effects on weight, which then can affect hormones," Dr. Travison says, but he calls it a theory that needs more proof.

PANIC BUTTON

The whole issue of fragile males is a hotly contested area of modern science.

The declining share of male college enrolment, for example, could stem from complex social and cultural causes rather than just decreased male births.

The possibility that environmental chemicals are harming male brains is "a fascinating idea," says William Pollack, director of the Centre for Men at McLean Hospital in Massachusetts and an assistant clinical professor at Harvard Medical School. But he says it should be viewed as a hypothesis waiting for scientific proof.

The easiest way to settle the issue would be to deliberately expose pregnant women in laboratory settings to hormonally active chemicals and then check out their kids. Needless to say, that wouldn't pass an ethical review.

"I don't think, from the scientific point of view, we can really draw firm conclusions in favour of implicating endocrine toxicants as major determinants of all these health outcomes," says Daniel Krewski, director of the University of Ottawa's Samuel McLaughlin Centre for Population Health Risk Assessment.

The centre maintains a website - funded in part by the chemical industry - that takes a skeptical position on scientific claims about the health impacts of hormonally active synthetic substances. Dr. Krewski says his industrial funders don't vet what is on the site.

His reading of the research is that the weight of evidence is not yet strong enough. The unexplained rise in testicular cancer, for example, might be caused by some as-yet-unidentified genetic or lifestyle factor.

Meanwhile, Nicholas Van Larabeke observes that low sperm counts do not "immediately affect the quality of our life - except for those people who do not get the children they want." The professor at Ghent University in Belgium has studied changes in sex ratios, such as the one in Sarnia, and calls them "sentinel" health events for hormone disruption.

On the other hand, he adds: "If ever the situation would get worse, over a longer period of time, that's about, I'd say, the most efficient way to endanger the future of humankind."

Martin Mittelstaedt is The Globe and Mail's environment reporter.

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Endangered species?

Here are science's top five worries over the fate of the human male.

1. Lost boys

Studies on births from the U.S., Japan, and Canada have found a drop in the percentage of boys born compared with girls. The reason isn't known.

2. Declining harvest

Men in farm country can be half as prolific when it comes to making sperm as their city counterparts, raising the possibility that pesticides undermine male fertility.

3. Downsizing

It's disputed by chemical companies, but some researchers say they have found an everyday plastic compound - phthalates - that feminizes baby boys, causing penises and other reproductive organs to be smaller.

4. Hormones not so raging

If you're a middle-aged man, you're likely to be less virile than your father because you make less testosterone. In recent decades, the decline has averaged about 1 per cent a year. If it continues over another generation or two, the consequences could be dire.

5. Equipment failure

Rates of testicular cancer, hypospadias and other genital abnormalities have soared over recent decades, rising by more than 50 per cent each.

Martin Mittelstaedt

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Chemical culprits

By some counts, nearly a hundred man-made chemicals either act like hormones or interfere with them, but scientists highlight four as major worries:

Bisphenol A, or BPA, the polycarbonate-plastic and tin-can-lining chemical, has been found in experiments by Frederick vom Saal and others to cause prostate abnormalities and other developmental changes linking to sex hormones in laboratory animals, at levels around and below currently accepted safety standards.

Phthalates (pronounced THA-lates), a family of chemicals used to make polyvinylchloride plastic more pliable, are found in everything from shower curtains, new car interiors to perfumes. It inhibits testosterone synthesis by interfering with an enzyme needed to produce the male hormone. Phthalates aren't embedded in products through strong chemical bonds, making them vulnerable to leaching out.

Polybrominated diphenylethers, or PBDEs, are flame retardants used in plastics, foams and electrical equipment. They are able to interfere with thyroid hormones, which are essential for proper brain and testicle development, and have been linked in animal research to attention-deficit-like conditions.

Polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs, are now-banned transformer-oil fluids widely used up to the early 1970s. They have a similar molecular shape to flame retardants and reduce thyroid hormone levels. Research has linked low PCB exposures to reduced impulse control and lower intellectual capacity in children. The most recent study, published in Environmental Health Perspectives in May, found that a mere one-part-per-billion increase in PCB concentration in a baby's placenta was associated with a three-point IQ drop at the age of 9.

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But everything is plastic! What do you guys do to avoid it? I like to carry at least 1.5L of water around with me, how can you do that without plastic? Does that include plastic utensils and disposable ones too? I dont like Oestrogen!! GET IT OUT!!! haha
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Isn't it scarey....when you think about it, I mean EVERYTHING is plastic....even this keyboard, lol!! Well, what can you do? It is unavoidable in most cases.....tho' you can get your own cutlery at outdoor oriented stores in our land it's Mountain Equipment Co-Op. They carry alot of eco-friendly supplies.....but in the real world, you'd need a good sized pc. of carry-on luggage to carry around your glass products and foods all wrapped in re-usable hemp products.....make the best choices for you, and what you can afford as well, these things are bloody expensive! It's not just the plastics, our water from the taps, the air we breathe....hell, we shouldn't leave our persoanl biospheres in order to be harm free.....but still......Dunno what the answer is either....nobody's gonna stop making the stuff EVER, it's just like tobacco...too much money to be made.
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Good news, however limiting this to children isn't enough; these insane creations of man plague everyone, and must be eliminated completely.

washingtonpost.com

Bills Would Ban BPA From Food and Drink Containers

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Saturday, March 14, 2009; Page A04

Leaders from the House and Senate introduced legislation yesterday that would establish a federal ban on bisphenol A in all food and beverage containers.

The bills, introduced by Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) and Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), would greatly expand efforts to limit the chemical from products for young children.

The move came a day after Sunoco, the gas and chemical company, sent word to investors that it is now refusing to sell bisphenol A, known as BPA, to companies for use in food and water containers for children younger than 3. The company told investors that it cannot be certain of the chemical compound's safety. Last week, six baby-bottle manufacturers, including Playtex and Gerber, announced that they will stop using BPA in bottles.

Tests have found toxic levels of the chemical in products, including those marked as "microwave safe."

The amounts detected were at levels that have caused neurological and developmental damage in laboratory animals. The problems include genital defects, behavioral changes and abnormal development of mammary glands.

The changes to the mammary glands were identical to those observed in women at higher risk for breast cancer.

Studies have shown that the chemical can cause breast cancer, testicular cancer, diabetes, hyperactivity, obesity, low sperm count, miscarriage and a host of other reproductive problems in laboratory animals.

More recent studies using human data have linked BPA to heart disease and diabetes. It has been found to interfere with the effects of chemotherapy in breast cancer patients.
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I think as long as the plastics are kept cold and you don't heat your food in plastic, the danger is mitigated as far as possible.

Always heat your food in glass if at all possible.

Also, drink tons of clean water to keep your system flushed.

That's about all I can say about that.
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